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67 from BTN flops 2p on monotone board


Tackleberry

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Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 538516
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Hero (BTN): $163.55
SB: $85.25
BB: $101.50
UTG: $13.00
MP: $124.45
CO: $137.55

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with 6 Club 7 Diamond
UTG requests TIME, 3 folds, Hero raises to $3, SB calls $2.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($7.00) 7 Spade A Spade 6 Spade (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($7.00) 4 Club (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5.50, SB raises to $23.50, Hero calls $18

River: ($54.00) A Club (2 players)
SB bets $18, Hero calls $18

Villain was 40/19/6.3, AF 2.2.

Comments on my line? I checked behind the flop b/c I wanted to avoid the c/r. On the turn I saw no reason for a 3-bet. River call too spewy with my counterfit 2p? I didn´t see many value hands in his range ...

Posted almost 2 years ago

Berbatron

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Why do you want to avoid the c/r. I'd be very eager to get the money in after he craises. On a monotone flop i can see him doing this with lots of hands including nfd and a bare ace. Especially when he's only 85 bb's deep.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Vodka&Water

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bet the flop bet the flop bet the flop imo

why not get value from an ace? flush draw? protection?

Posted almost 2 years ago

Vodka&Water

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...did you have a read concerning the flop c/r to make this statement?

im with berbatron on being happy to get c/r and get it in against this villain.

i don't like calling the river.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Tackleberry

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im with berbatron on being happy to get c/r and get it in against this villain.



That´s why I put those hands up here Smile I lost > 3k bb in the last six weeks, being 100% under all-in EV. I think I´m in danger of nitting up too much. Thx for your comments!

Posted almost 2 years ago

tubasteve

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when he checkraises the turn i actually think it might be a fold. why would he just spazz bluff now? if he wanted to bluff why wouldn't he just lead? a super-slowplayed flush definitely seems like his most likely hand, esp since he appears to have hit the bet pot button.

Posted almost 2 years ago

tubasteve

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bet the flop bet the flop bet the flop imo

why not get value from an ace? flush draw? protection?



and yeah, not betting the flop is pretty terrible. even if your plan is to just fold to the c/r every time i think the bet would be more profitable than checking. and as someone else mentioned, why are you worried about getting c/r on the flop? what range of hands do you think he will c/r and why would it be a bad thing for you?

Posted almost 2 years ago

Manchild

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I def bet the flop all day

I agree with steve that the turn is a fold, you aren't doing that great against his range and you don't know how he's gonna barrel the river so you will make bad calls or bad folds a bunch of the time

Posted almost 2 years ago

Manchild

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Why do you want to avoid the c/r. I'd be very eager to get the money in after he craises. On a monotone flop i can see him doing this with lots of hands including nfd and a bare ace. Especially when he's only 85 bb's deep.




What range do you put him on that makes you very eager to get the money in after he c/raises? It may be a +EV, but I'd be surprised to see a range against which I am overjoyed to stack off against

Posted almost 2 years ago

puckle

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As played, turn is a fold. I want to see 2 streets of resistance before I am believing that the villain flopped the flush or caught a better 2 pair by the turn. Not leading out on the flop is nitty for wanting to avoid the C/R. I would be more worried about the flush if villain flatted the flop and C/R the turn.

I think there is a case for distinguishing 2 types of nitty; tight-nitty and passive-nitty. In this hand I think you were the later. Tight-nitty saves you $36 that went in on the turn and river to possibly pay off a luck box lagtard when you had a nowhere near nut hand. And that, to me, is a distinguishing feature of running bad. You lose the motivation to play aggressively on a nasty flop and then can't let go of a promising hand that can be beaten, given the villain's, range by the turn and river.

Bet $4.50 on the flop, call a pot sized C/R if it hits. Lead pot on the turn and evaluate villain's response.

Running bad doesn't have to mean losing a lot of money if you can change gears and TAG it up. Calling too many streets with a hand that can be clearly beaten against the villain's range is obviously a big leak. Pick a better spot to be calling down as a bluff catcher when the hand as played means villain beats you with a lone Ace.

Posted almost 2 years ago

reemas

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i gave the villain this range:
KcKs,KdKs,KhKs,77-66,AKs,A7s-A6s,QsJs,JsTs,Js9s,Ts8s,98s,8s5s,54s,AKo,AcQs,AdQs,AhQs,AcJs,AdJs,AhJs,A7o-A6o,KsQc,KsQd,KsQh,KsJc,98o,54o


*on the flop you have 47% equity if he check raises and wants to play for stacks.
*on the turn you have 53% equity with the same range.

however the turn c/r range isn't the same as the flop c/r range. his turn c/r range is stronger. i would limit this to sets played retardedly (he's 40/19), made flushes and some straights:
77-66,QsJs,JsTs,Js9s,Ts8s,8s5s,54s

giving you 21% vs his turn c/r range.

i agree w/ the fold comments.

Posted almost 2 years ago




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