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Should I have made that call on the river? Whenever someone overbets the pot I tend to put them on the nuts, however I disguised the strength of my hand so much that it begs to ask the question, 'was he thinking he's pushing me off a hand like 88-10's, QJ, KJ, AJ?' Even then, those are hands I would typically c-bet the flop with.

He's not making that move with QQ's, flushdraw likely raises more on the turn, all-in would be kinda silly with 56s on the river IMO, honestly I think the most likely hand he has here is quads [44], as in my experience many people tend to shove with quads or better @ river, IMHO of course. 33's/77's full are obvious next choice as checking the flop disguises those hands very well, but even then I would expect a bet a lot closer to pot on the river.

Should I have made the river call? How would you play it differently? I know a lot of answers would be c-bet the flop, I wouldn't necessarily agree on this board texture with KK as what would you do if you're raised on the flop after a c-bet?.. Shoving and praying he doesn't have a set isn't exactly my style



Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 528493
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BB: $100.00
UTG: $117.15
MP: $211.35
CO: $288.80
BTN: $101.30
Hero (SB): $157.95

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with K K
2 folds, CO raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero raises to $10, 1 fold, CO calls $7

Flop: ($21.00) 4 3 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($21.00) J (2 players)
Hero bets $12, CO raises to $26.50, Hero calls $14.50

River: ($74.00) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $124.50, Hero requests TIME, Hero folds

He's not making that move with QQ's, flushdraw likely raises more on the turn, all-in would be kinda silly with 56s on the river IMO, honestly I think the most likely hand he has here is quads [44], as in my experience many people tend to shove with quads or better @ river, IMHO of course. 33's/77's full are obvious next choice as checking the flop disguises those hands very well, but even then I would expect a bet a lot closer to pot on the river.

what-shoving with 56s would be silly? cause you can have a ton of boats,right?

and why would you cbet 88+ here,but not KK?

id 3bet 14 preflop (we are 150bb deep and its rushpoker)
and if he setmines(wich cant be too good) and stacks my overpair-i dont mind ;-) => bet/bet/bet(shove)

as played: would be weird if he is doing this with a one pair hand /air but not too sure about that...

what-shoving with 56s would be silly? cause you can have a ton of boats,right?

and why would you cbet 88+ here,but not KK?

id 3bet 14 preflop (we are 150bb deep and its rushpoker)
and if he setmines(wich cant be too good) and stacks my overpair-i dont mind ;-) => bet/bet/bet(shove)

as played: would be weird if he is doing this with a one pair hand /air but not too sure about that...

1.) IMO, shoving with 56s is silly, because he isn't getting value against 88-10's, and any jack. He could get value against QQ-AA but it's tough to put me on those hands.

2.) IMO, I could cbet 88-10's protecting my hand against a bunch of turn cards yet I could fold to raise on that board

3.) I do usually 3bet higher in that spot but I went autopilot 4tabling on Rush..

I also want to add, what do you think his raising range is on the turn - 88-10's may raise for value, but that would likely check the river [Any Jack might c-bet the river as well, around half pot IMO), therefore I believe the smallish raise on the turn was to induce action [ie. set, maybe 56s].. what do you guys think?

Should I have made the river call? How would you play it differently? I know a lot of answers would be c-bet the flop, I wouldn't necessarily agree on this board texture with KK as what would you do if you're raised on the flop after a c-bet?

The possibility of a check raise is not a reason to not cbet. That's a pretty dry board and you need to go for value. Moving on past the flop...

I disagree that it would be silly to shove 56. You almost never have a boat here, so he can do it for pure value. It's not thin at all. I was actually thinking he could do this with AJ.

As for whether to call the river...he's probably not doing this as a bluff. So the question is whether there are enough worse value hands in his range or whether he would try to turn a weak made hand into a bluff. Doesn't look like a good spot for him to do that though. There's definitely more better value hands in his range than worse value hands. Likely a fold.

I bet out flop but I would call river as played. His hand makes no sense because a set or straight or AA+ would have likely bet flop and not slowplay. So he either has 3 combos of JJ or a bluff. Maybe he sometimes bets JJ on the flop so you might be able to discount JJ some. The river 4 is great cause clubs missed and that elimnates 2 combos of 44.

The other thing is that your hand looks weak to him. If he a premium hand on the river he's not going to shove imo since it looks like he's trying to maximize fold equity.

I snapfold river.

He seems like a donk and when a donk clickraise you on the turn and overbetshove river I need a very good read to snap him off with KK.

Of course, not c-betting here is terrible.

while your hand does look like AJ at best he probably still has the nuts. i wouldnt give some random 100nl player credit for trying to push you off your hand with a small turn raise/huge river overbet line.

if you just bet the flop and get it in youll probably make more money and will have less weird spots like this.

I take back what I said a month ago river is a fold. I can't think of anything he'd turn into a bluff here and I think they'll call with a draw on the turn pretty close to always instead of raising then overbet jamming the river if they miss.

Really think the river is a fold like mdm13 said. I'd also say 3bet larger preflop since you are 150bb deep. That's probably the cutoff for making larger-than-normal 3bets.

turn is almost debatable....