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The Thin Red Line: Episode Five

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The Thin Red Line: Episode Five by Grindcore

Grindcore continues his play at 4 tables of 100NL deep and ante tables from episode 4.

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DeucesCracked welcomes fan favorite and new instructor Grindcore to the fold with this original video series about that thin, red line – nonshowdown winnings. This winter Bart will take a look at some common misconceptions about the red line and discuss the ins and outs of how small stakes 6max players can pick up previously unreachable profit.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Micro/Small Stakes
  • 75 minutes long
  • Posted over 3 years ago

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Grindcore

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lol @ A high. You rivered a straight....



I was talking about flop/turn obv. Why would I bet big with A high if he's not folding any pair Wink

Posted over 3 years ago

ImaRealGirl

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Time Link to 00:55:12

On bottom left table, you base your play in this hand on your classification of Apex as a "nit," but you only have 30 hands on him so far. It doesn't seem like enough information to make this kind of assumption.

When he bets the turn, you say that he may have KJ, but if he was a nit, I'd assume he would be folding that kind of hand against a raise PF. Also, his call on the flop was pretty quick, and I would think that if he had flopped a set he would have thought a few seconds about raising.

Do you think it would be much worse to barrel the turn and fold to a raise? or would that put you in too tough of a spot if he just calls the turn?

I'm not saying you were wrong on this hand, but I just noticed that later on this player's stats changed and I wouldn't have classified him as a nit by the end of the video. I feel like in this spot, a lot of players will turn their pocket 8's or whatever into a bluff as soon as you show a sign of weakness by checking the turn.

Posted about 3 years ago

Grindcore

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On bottom left table, you base your play in this hand on your classification of Apex as a "nit," but you only have 30 hands on him so far. It doesn't seem like enough information to make this kind of assumption.

When he bets the turn, you say that he may have KJ, but if he was a nit, I'd assume he would be folding that kind of hand against a raise PF. Also, his call on the flop was pretty quick, and I would think that if he had flopped a set he would have thought a few seconds about raising.

Do you think it would be much worse to barrel the turn and fold to a raise? or would that put you in too tough of a spot if he just calls the turn?

I'm not saying you were wrong on this hand, but I just noticed that later on this player's stats changed and I wouldn't have classified him as a nit by the end of the video. I feel like in this spot, a lot of players will turn their pocket 8's or whatever into a bluff as soon as you show a sign of weakness by checking the turn.



Yes, 30 hands is a very small sample. But he had a gap between vip/pfr, 17/7. Could easily be a tight/passive beginner/semi-reg. Those players like flatting pre and don't fold KJ to raises. Also almost nobody folds KJs pre. Tight passives also don't valuebet thin or bluff alot making turn b/f and bet check bet better as they'll very often fold a J to 3 barrels anyway but they'll fold 88 on the turn while they might call a bet check bet atleast some % of the time. There's always a chance your opponent is a nit, even if he's 100/100 after 30 hands. You just gotta go with what you think is most likely, what on average will be the best decision.

This hand is a good example of why reads are way better than HUD stats because if I saw a single hand where he called JTo or something in position or and it went to showdown, or him checking the river where he could have made a not so thin valuebet, I'd have his playertype alot more confirmed than I did here by just going with the HUD stats.

Posted about 3 years ago

Apollo86

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Really good series, but the people that told you to 4table are idiots. Too often you want to explain something more elaborate but can't because there's too much going on. + the timeouts ldo Poke Tongue

Just 2 table next time, most of the time 2 table vids are more interesting anyways since the instructor tries harder to explain concepts instead of explaining what's going on at the table.

Posted about 3 years ago

Poemmel

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Time Link to 00:19:08

shouldn't you write that he turned a FD in your note?
I mean he even tanked with pair+FD so he MIGHT have folded without hitting the diamond draw (although I doubt it).

Posted about 3 years ago

PaperV

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When are the last 2 episodes going to be released?

Posted about 3 years ago

Grindcore

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Improva is making episode 7, I'm doing 8. I've already send mine to DC a while ago. I don't know exactly when they're gonna be released but it can't be that much longer.

Posted about 3 years ago

PaperV

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Improva is making episode 7, I'm doing 8. I've already send mine to DC a while ago. I don't know exactly when they're gonna be released but it can't be that much longer.


Ok thanks for the update, I enjoyed the series immensely. Thanks for the effort.

Posted about 3 years ago

Scantraxx

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So, do you coach Dutch players at a discount rate Grin?

Posted about 3 years ago

sambrosie

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Time Link to 00:41:12

When the nit is shoving over your cold call..... If he is a nit cant we assume his range is like qq+ ak? If thats the case, Can we really profitablly call with JJ

Posted about 3 years ago

thuenlolol

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When the nit is shoving over your cold call..... If he is a nit cant we assume his range is like qq+ ak? If thats the case, Can we really profitablly call with JJ



I was thinking about the same. The best we hope for in this spot is a coinflip vs AKs/o against this nitty players? Never see him jam w 99-TT, and QQ/KK is defiantly in his range here, were we are crushed.

Can you explain this move you make grindcore?


THUSTRONG

Posted about 3 years ago

Scantraxx

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So, do you coach Dutch players at a discount rate Grin?




This question should be: Will there be a group of players you will coach in the near future?

Posted about 3 years ago

galacticrewind

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This hand is a good example of why reads are way better than HUD stats because if I saw a single hand where he called JTo or something in position or and it went to showdown, or him checking the river where he could have made a not so thin valuebet, I'd have his playertype alot more confirmed than I did here by just going with the HUD stats.



What would be his playertype if he called JTo preflop in position and it went to showdown? How would you adjust?

And if he could have made a not-so-thin value bet on the river but instead he checked, then what would have been his playertype because of that? How would you adjust?

Posted over 2 years ago

Grindcore

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What would be his playertype if he called JTo preflop in position and it went to showdown? How would you adjust?

And if he could have made a not-so-thin value bet on the river but instead he checked, then what would have been his playertype because of that? How would you adjust?



1st one is too loose. We instantly know he's gonna be atleast 30 vpip and/or likes flatting in position. He's most likely also gonna be passive in general.

2nd one means he's passive, possibly 1st level. We can fold to his big bets, raise his small bets, blindly barrel scarecards, etc. His river bets will also be polarized so we do have the option of calling them with 4th pairs, AK high, etc. And we should also not try to c/r the river for value vs him but always just be betting ourselves.



Lets say it's your 1st orbit, you get called by JTo and he gets in a vbet spot on the river but he checks. You can now be 95% sure he's a loose passive player and make all the above adjustments while only having 4 hands on the guy.

Posted over 2 years ago

VICOMA1983

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GRINDCORE, fantastic! I loved all videos up to this point, great stuff!

A few questions:

Min 41 BR table with JJ - Some people already asked in the thread, I saw that, but havent found an answer of yours yet. I dont think we can profitably call here with JJ. Whats your range you put the NIT on? Assuming we call the 3bet and fold to the 4bet of the NIT, wouldnt it be better then to 4bet it? The NIT might fold the hands we are flipping against, AQ, AK.

Min 47 UL table with AKs - I would assume both ranges, or at least the range of the UTG player is pretty strong in that spot, since you SQ an UTG open (but even MP could have hands like 99-JJ or even QQ in his range). Do you think you get midpairs (higher than the board) here to fold when you C/R or is it enough to make them fold 2nd pair type hands? Would you have also had C/R if UTG lead out and MP folded?

Min 61 UR table with J4s - You say something like "when the money goes in here as a flip, its better for you because you have a skill edge etc.. I dont get that, maybe you can explain that shortly once more. Once we have an edge on a player we should be avoiding flipping and exploit him in much clearer spots right?

Thanks for your answers in advance! Great stuff!

Posted over 2 years ago




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