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MP is a 26/16/1.5 nitty regular over 300 hands.
utg is a 28/6 fish

Absolute Poker $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 440053
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UTG: $55.60
MP: $107.80
CO: $19.00
BTN: $107.35
SB: $18.10
Hero (BB): $159.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with Q Q
UTG raises to $4, MP calls $4, 3 folds, Hero raises to $13.50, UTG calls $9.50, MP calls $9.50

Flop: ($41.00) 5 6 7 (3 players)
Hero bets $30.50, UTG folds, MP raises to $94.30

Does this player have a set too often? Or does he have 44 and 88-JJ, and FD's enough? We're getting enough pot odds so I think this has to be a call expecting to be behind quite a bit.

you're getting about 3-1 so you only have to win about 28% of the time. Yes. he probably has a set. but you priced yourself in. Next time LOOK AT THE DARN BOARD and check. This would be a sticky situation with aces.

Now, look at it from your opponents side. He knows that practically NONE of the hands you are going to be regularly 3 betting are going to have hit that flop. Also his range after flatting a UTG and then flatting the 3b after the UTG flats is putting his range DEAD in the middle of this board. BAD C-BET. REALLY BAD C-BET. Reluctant Call.

BAD C-BET. REALLY BAD C-BET.

I see your reasoning, but with a fishy utg player and 3 way, can we honestly let FD's, 88-JJ get away with seeing a free card? What actually happened (fish folding, and tag jamming AI) was the worst scenario, but so often, the fish calls, and the tag folds. I think cbetting is fine.

Anyone else have any input?

I don't play this high but why on earth would we check THIS flop ?

Would be bad to not c-bet, as fish can call with a lot of stuff which could outdraw us easily: a ton of draws and AX, too. Crucial bet.

Against MPs shove, I would fold ingame in the first moment. He'll have a set very often, sometimes just 88 or 44. Also, I think, he would 4-bet AK,TT,JJ pre most of the time, so that we're not good vs. his range and even his bluffing range reduces sharply.

Buuuut: Against 77-55, we're just 17% or something. But if we just added 2/3 44 - - - we're good !! (28%). Also, don't forget our backdoor FD. If we hadn't this, we were just 26% and needed a bit more (would be a call, too, but even closer).

So, it's a close call to me.

Not c-betting here is bad.

Villain's range is going to be a lot wider than 98, 34, 77, 66, 55, 76 and 65.

Need to know your stats, but if you aren't a super nit this is such an easy call; you beat 44,88, AsQs, JJ, TT, 99. Granted, some of those won't ship it in, but they will a lot of the time.

The reg is probably set mining a lot here, but unless you really know that he would almost never show up with 88-JJ or some flushdraw nothing you can do here except bet/call. And think it's pretty clear that you want to bet if the fish is bad and passive.

I don't know that I'd call 26/15 nitty. Ship it in, IMO. He's got draws, 88-JJ enough here.

OP where is your pokerstove calculation? that is the very first thing you should do 100% of the time in this situation.

and if you did it, post it.

OP where is your pokerstove calculation? that is the very first thing you should do 100% of the time in this situation.

and if you did it, post it.

I personally don't like using pokerstove in this situation because it assumes that there is equal weight with a hand like 76s and 77 which isn't the case. He often folds 76s pre, and calls far more often with 77 so they are not of equal weight (why am i telling this to a coach... of course u know that).

Ok, u get my point.

I personally don't like using pokerstove in this situation because it assumes that there is equal weight with a hand like 76s and 77 which isn't the case. He often folds 76s pre, and calls far more often with 77 so they are not of equal weight (why am i telling this to a coach... of course u know that).

Ok, u get my point.

You don't have to include all combos of 76. You can leave some out, or leave all of them out.

You don't have to include all combos of 76. You can leave some out, or leave all of them out.

yep, weight it yourself!

edit: i also usually do a couple different ranges. if you still have enough equity vs. a worst-case scenario range, that makes things pretty easy.

Raise more preflop. 16 is probably right. Flop is easy bet/call.

Buuuut: Against 77-55, we're just 17% or something. But if we just added 2/3 44 - - - we're good !! (28%). Also, don't forget our backdoor FD. If we hadn't this, we were just 26% and needed a bit more (would be a call, too, but even closer).

So, it's a close call to me.

How could we be 17% on that flop? sorry for the dumb question, new at dc )