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HowIMetUrRiver

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This is a zoom nl100 hand, my oppo is a tagish-player (21/16/7 over just 134 hands). Obv. I'm happy on the Flop with my hand and actually also on Turn, bc. i dont think he has alot of aces in his range to begin with and then also folds these alot on the flop. What is the best line to get maximum Value though from his qx hands, mid-pps? I think his range here is very narrow, since he just calls twice preflop, so he can have smthg. like 67s but no jj, not alot of tens, not alot aq.

My preflop 3bet should have been 12-13, i dont know why i went for 11, maybe i didn#t see that there were 2 people in the pot or was just a misclick, don#t remember exactly.

Poker Stars $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players -


BTN: $100.00
Hero (SB): $252.31
BB: $146.85
UTG: $98.38
MP: $442.01
CO: $100.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with K Spade K Diamond
1 fold, MP raises to $3, 1 fold, BTN calls $3, Hero raises to $11, 2 folds, BTN calls $8

Flop: ($26.00) Q Spade 7 Spade 7 Club (2 players)
Hero bets $17.00, BTN calls $17

Turn: ($60.00) A Heart (2 players)
Hero ?


I will post more of the hand after a few thoughts and then also what i did and why.

Edit: The lag in headline is obv. wrong, dunno how to change it.

Posted 9 months ago

urb

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$60 pot, $70 left to bet - a little more than PSB. In this spot I wouldn't be very excited about my hand because you can't really expect to stack his mid-pairs or Qx a lot.

Posted 9 months ago

HowIMetUrRiver

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Well, thats my exact Problem with the hand in general, so looking for a good line to take to stack vs. his tp on flop hands.

Posted 9 months ago

terp

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if your first instincts are between shove and check/something, consider other options. can you bet $15? $35? etc

Posted 9 months ago

urb

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if your first instincts are between shove and check/something, consider other options. can you bet $15? $35? etc


it looks like the best choice to bet sth like $15-35 but it raises some questions, like what do we do if:
1) he shoves - I think we can fold as nobody ships FD or Qx here
2) he calls, river blanks - ship it or check/call? Depends if he calls Qx or bluffs missed FD - both unknown.
3) he calls, river is spade - x/f? No hands that we beat would bet or call.

Posted 9 months ago

terp

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remember that your goal is to induce your opponent to make a mistake. start by coming up with a good guess of his range here and then think about what mistakes he might make which each portion versus different bet sizes. it is a good bit of work, but it will make you feel much more comfortable in future weird spots.

Posted 9 months ago

urb

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Villains range:
1) preflop: he flats MP open, then flats 3b. He;s taggish, so he probably saw a hand that's not good enough to 3b vs MP but too pretty to fold vs squeeze.
I would give him: 77-JJ, AQo, ATs-AQs, KQs, QJs, JTs, occasional SC or SA.
Obviously we crush.
2) flop: fold most suited hands except FD, continue with almost all pairs, float some A high. He might raise some NFD.
We still crush his range.
3) turn: AQ got ahead of us, all other aces as well. Weak queens get scared. Smaller pairs fold to any more action. Our hand equity vs his range is not as good anymore, while if he we his range crushes us.
I forgot to put 7x in his range, but those are just coolers and don't change anyhing.
Stoving above ranges seems to confirm my previous reply. Thoughts?

Posted 9 months ago

terp

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well now you have to ask: what will he do with the hands that would have folded to a jam if you
check?
bet small?

Posted 9 months ago

HowIMetUrRiver

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Poker Stars $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players -

BTN: $100.00
Hero (SB): $252.31
BB: $146.85
UTG: $98.38
MP: $442.01
CO: $100.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with K Spade K Diamond
1 fold, MP raises to $3, 1 fold, BTN calls $3, Hero raises to $11, 2 folds, BTN calls $8

Flop: ($26.00) Q Spade 7 Spade 7 Club (2 players)
Hero bets $17.00, BTN calls $17

Turn: ($60.00) A Heart (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($60.00) 5 Diamond (2 players)
Hero bets $27.00, BTN raises to $72, Hero

Posted 9 months ago

HowIMetUrRiver

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Well, i decided to check Turn as I think there was little Value to bet and then valuebet the River smallish pretty much turning ym hand faceup. Then the unexpected happened. I also bet that amount to give him room to spzz a bit, but I'm not sure if its a good line in hindsight, as calling it off, even when i planned on inducing is still not a snapdecision.

Posted 9 months ago

1bigazzdog

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I think this is a fold, i mean what bluffs can villian have after checking turn.

Posted 9 months ago

HowIMetUrRiver

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So what do you think he is checking back the turn with to then shove the river considering the range of hands he can have here and how often we have to be good to make a profitable call?

Posted 9 months ago

1bigazzdog

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67s,78s,A7s,77,55,AQ and some slowplayed QQ,AA compared to a minumum of FD combos JTs,9Ts. against this range we have 11% equity needing 22% to break even. I guess if villian is capable of turning some made hands into bluffs then it becomes closer

Posted 9 months ago

terp

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I think this is a fold, i mean what bluffs can villian have after checking turn.



disagree with the second part

some people in hero's spot bet all their air and c/c turn with all their made hands. you can argue whether this is good or bad, but it would discourage BTN from betting turn

Posted 9 months ago

1bigazzdog

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disagree with the second part

some people in hero's spot bet all their air and c/c turn with all their made hands. you can argue whether this is good or bad, but it would discourage BTN from betting turn



So your saying because heros percieved range could be showdown heavy villian is less likely to stab wit his air? But now he decides to bluff shove the river over that same range.

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