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Given that he might just take a step at the pot and that we still beat pretty much every non pair hand, I think calling seems fine. Our implied odds arent amazing and we are out of position, thats true. But I think the combination of pot equity and the chance to win without hitting a club makes it a call.

Yeah I agree with that. What Im really interested in is to hear your thoughts on the original call if we feel that BTN is going to raise a somewhat wide frequency. If feel that raise flop > call/call in most cases due to the fact it isnt a great spot when we do get raised.

Yeah I agree with that. What Im really interested in is to hear your thoughts on the original call if we feel that BTN is going to raise a somewhat wide frequency. If feel that raise flop > call/call in most cases due to the fact it isnt a great spot when we do get raised.

I think it simply depends on the strength of the other players involved in the hand. If they are really fishy and tend to massively overplay their hands in multiway pots, you might actually want to keep them in the pot and hope to hit your nut flush. Some players simply arent capable of folding weak flushes, 2pairs and so on in multiway pots and giving them the chance to hit is a pretty decent strategy.
Against solid opponents, I prefer to raise the small flop bet to get max fold equity. Its super unlikely that you get paid off if you turn or river your flush. Additionally, you are sitting in the CO which will often give you the opportunity to check back the turn and realize your equity if your flop raise gets called.

I think it simply depends on the strength of the other players involved in the hand. If they are really fishy and tend to massively overplay their hands in multiway pots, you might actually want to keep them in the pot and hope to hit your nut flush. Some players simply arent capable of folding weak flushes, 2pairs and so on in multiway pots and giving them the chance to hit is a pretty decent strategy.
Against solid opponents, I prefer to raise the small flop bet to get max fold equity. Its super unlikely that you get paid off if you turn or river your flush.

This was also my thought calling the flop backraise OOP, BTN could also have sets in his range he is never folding if he is fishy..

Could you please reexplain what you mean by checking back the turn, as I see it we are most likely HU OTT OOP? thx..

Could you please reexplain what you mean by checking back the turn, as I see it we are most likely HU OTT OOP? thx..

I just tried to explain that raising the inital small bet is a good idea if your opponents are decent as you will create max fold equity and wont get paid very often if you just call the bet and hit your flush.
And as you are sitting in the CO, you will be able to check back the turn somewhat often if your raise gets called (only BU has position on you).

I just tried to explain that raising the inital small bet is a good idea if your opponents are decent as you will create max fold equity and wont get paid very often if you just call the bet and hit your flush.
And as you are sitting in the CO, you will be able to check back the turn somewhat often if your raise gets called (only BU has position on you).

Ok, what are you actions vs. a c/r from SB if MP then calls/folds?(BU called)

We just call SB c/r if we flatted the small bet. Shouldnt matter too much if MP flats or not.

Pre is not standard. This guy is very tight so far. Your hand is probably at the bottom of his raising range. And there are still 3 players left to act behind you. Pre should be a 3b or fold, and given it's the top of your folding range, it's a 3b.

Your postflop thought process seems way off. You think he'll keep bluffing clubs and bricks. So basically you think this guy will bluff 100% of the time on the turn. Yet he's cbetting less than 1/3rd pot and is 17 vpip pre. Doesn't seem that maniacal at all and his cbet sizing is likely a huge tell on his hand strength (and/or him being a fish, which you could very likely have figured out before this hand).

Pre is not standard. This guy is very tight so far. Your hand is probably at the bottom of his raising range. And there are still 3 players left to act behind you. Pre should be a 3b or fold, and given it's the top of your folding range, it's a 3b.

Your postflop thought process seems way off. You think he'll keep bluffing clubs and bricks. So basically you think this guy will bluff 100% of the time on the turn. Yet he's cbetting less than 1/3rd pot and is 17 vpip pre. Doesn't seem that maniacal at all and his cbet sizing is likely a huge tell on his hand strength (and/or him being a fish, which you could very likely have figured out before this hand).

So you don't think I can call here IP, most likely playing a hand IP vs.MP and SB(I know is only 40), which was my initial plan for the hand. I agree that thinking more about it, it's 3b or fold, because it's make the hand so musch easier to play vs. the MP he will most likely 4b or fold and I can fold if SB shoves? thx..