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Villain has just stacked me an orbit prior with set over set. I rarely play 6m cash but I assume he might think I'm butthurt or something and less likely to fold?

Think this fold is very bad game theory wise etc if he can make me fold the top of my range. Briefly considered every option.

I don't really play 6m cash. But Zoom 200 seems to have gotten insanely aggressive.

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BTN: $184.27
SB: $224.24
Hero (BB): $328.24
UTG: $200.00
MP: $373.74
CO: $226.57

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with A 2
4 folds, SB raises to $6, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($12.00) 9 A 7 (2 players)
SB bets $8.02, Hero calls $8.02

Turn: ($28.04) 7 (2 players)
SB bets $20, Hero calls $20

River: ($68.04) 8 (2 players)
SB bets $52, Hero?

After you stack someone it's usually a better spot to bluff them (well, it kinda depends on how you stacked him) rather than worse imo.

He's never pure bluffing on the turn here. Hearts got there. Some straights got there. You lose to every ace he vbets. You only beat a missed diamond draw. Combo wise that shouldn't be too many compared to the rest of his range, so I'd fold. I'd probably also 3b preflop by default in BvB. A big factor is also how wide you think he's opening preflop here. Some people open ridiculous amounts of hands from the SB

Thanks for the advice Grindcore, much appreciated!

After you stack someone it's usually a better spot to bluff them (well, it kinda depends on how you stacked him) rather than worse imo.

I don't think that is true: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/broadband/tx/decisions/

Maybe you assume that people assume that you know that it is a bad idea to bluff them when they have just lost a pot and/or they know that you are less likely to risk the chips you have just won?

Im with improva here.

I dont think what Grindcore is saying is right here either and maybe say the opposite is true.

Villain has just stacked me an orbit prior with set over set. I rarely play 6m cash but I assume he might think I'm butthurt or something and less likely to fold?

Think this fold is very bad game theory wise etc if he can make me fold the top of my range. Briefly considered every option.

I don't really play 6m cash. But Zoom 200 seems to have gotten insanely aggressive.

first, most people are not going to put much weight on a cooler spot. they'll just assume that another reg isn't going to get tilted by the bottom end of a pretty standard spot.

second, this is not the top of your range. you should have some 7x hands, a handful of flushes, better aces. i'm not sure you have many hands WORSE than this on the river. as grindcore said, his turn range is full of equity and most of it connects on that river card.

third, good poker is usually aggressive poker. try to step back from that and not get bowled over. don't turn your brain off and default to calling / folding all the time. that's possibly the worst response to very aggressive play. don't let your opponents turn off your handreading and multistreet planning and box you into a call/fold gameplan.

Probably the biggest factor in this spot in what his preflop range is Bvb.

At 200zoom theres people opening 100% Bvb (lots of people opening 60%+ too). Against them we are going to have shitloads of history (where I never fold preflop) and this becomes a snap call on river due to this dynamic.

In general I wouldnt fold tho either.

I don't think that is true: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/broadband/tx/decisions/

Maybe you assume that people assume that you know that it is a bad idea to bluff them when they have just lost a pot and/or they know that you are less likely to risk the chips you have just won?

This is true against recreational players but I think regs are aware of this and therefore on average reversely factor it into their decision making.

I see roughly 111 value combos in his range.
{ 99-77, A7s+, KhQh, KhJh, KhTh, Kh9h, Kh8h, K7s, Kh6h, Kh5h, Kh4h, Kh3h, Kh2h, QhJh, QhTh, Qh9h, Qh8h, Qh7h, Qh6h, Qh5h, Qh4h, Qh3h, Qh2h, JTs, Jh9h, Jh8h, Jh7h, Jh6h, Jh5h, Jh4h, Jh3h, Jh2h, Th9h, Th8h, Th7h, Th6h, Th5h, Th4h, Th3h, Th2h, 9h8h, 97s, 9h6h, 9h5h, 9h4h, 9h3h, 9h2h, 65s, A7o+, K7o, 97o }


Could be more, could be less.

Pot Odds on the river: 2.3 : 1

Therefore he needs to bluff at least 49 combos. I found 39 legitimate combos:

{ AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, AdTd, Ad8d, KdQd, KdJd, KdTd, Kd9d, Kd8d, Kd7d, Kd6d, Kd5d, Kd4d, Kd3d, Kd2d, QdJd, QdTd, Qd9d, Qd8d, Qd7d, Qd6d, Qd5d, Qd4d, Qd3d, Qd2d, JdTd, Jd9d, Jd8d, Jd7d, Jd6d, Jd5d, Jd4d, Jd3d, Jd2d, Td9d, T8s, Td7d, Td6d, Td5d, Td4d, Td3d, Td2d, 9d8d, 8d7d, 86s, 8d5d, 8d4d, 8d3d, 8d2d }

Pure bluffs are also possible, but I think it's too thin.


I'd fold.

Pretty good analysis stackhunter.

Would agree w that. Seems like a reasonable fold then.

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