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Why did you bet/call? When this happens, you don't have the feeling you're getting trapped? People take those lines with KK+ even at 50nl these days and it's an easy bet/fold on the turn imo.

I had a 50nl regfish thinking at that moment - I've got an overpair in 3bet pot, I call !

Now seriously, it's really hard to day whether b/f or b/c is better w/o specific reads on the Villain. Being readless b/f is definitely a safer option.

Yeah I mean villain would either give up on the turn with AK/Random air or C/R the flop with AK. I'm not sure if that happens at 200nl but at 50nl and lower definetely that's why I would bet/fold OTT based on my experiences.

I like a check OTT. We are basically just betting to protect against a small amount of equity. However, I'm not quite convinced we should always be calling a river bet. We look like we are very rarely folding, given the action, so I wouldn't expect an unknown reg to give up the turn and then decide to bluff a blank river when turn goes ch/ch. I could be wrong, but that's my assumption against an unknown.

I had a 50nl regfish thinking at that moment - I've got an overpair in 3bet pot, I call !

Now seriously, it's really hard to day whether b/f or b/c is better w/o specific reads on the Villain. Being readless b/f is definitely a safer option.

You say Vil. is a reg, then checking behind is superior to betting the turn because, you don't now anything about this Vil's tendencies and Vil's range for c/r AI OTT yet, so check for pot control and play you position, I asumme you are also unknown for Vil?

Interesting hand BTW

I like a check OTT. We are basically just betting to protect against a small amount of equity. However, I'm not quite convinced we should always be calling a river bet. We look like we are very rarely folding, given the action, so I wouldn't expect an unknown reg to give up the turn and then decide to bluff a blank river when turn goes ch/ch. I could be wrong, but that's my assumption against an unknown.

+1

You say Vil. is a reg, then checking behind is superior to betting the turn because, you don't now anything about this Vil's tendencies and Vil's range for c/r AI OTT yet, so check for pot control and play you position, I asumme you are also unknown for Vil?

Interesting hand BTW

Mostly I agree with you. I mean, I shouldn't build a huge pot w/ a mediocre hand w/o info on Villain. I guess I am unk for him as well.

seems close between bet/folding and checking back. Bet/calling is really bad though unless you have some very specific read that your opponent will take this line as a bluff.

If Hero is betting JJ and AQ on the turn, and villains knows that, C/R AK on the turn is awesome imo.

This is assuming that people actually bet AQ on the turn and bet/fold value hands to a X/r here

seems close between bet/folding and checking back. Bet/calling is really bad though unless you have some very specific read that your opponent will take this line as a bluff.

if you check back, are you calling a 2/3 psb on a river brick?

Try to compare how much we gain when villain fold with how much we risk. Assume that villain will bet the river with perfect frequencies.

Try to compare how much we gain when villain fold with how much we risk. Assume that villain will bet the river with perfect frequencies.

What do you mean exactly? risk reward terms OTT - and assuming Vil will play the river perfect?

Thx..

Try to compare how much we gain when villain fold with how much we risk. Assume that villain will bet the river with perfect frequencies.

Seems like betting 1/3p (or even 1/4p) ott is better than checking behind and face his balanced river bet freq? Plus he does not only have 6 outs with overs because every Q, K, A will actually make hard time for us when facing bet...

What do you mean exactly? risk reward terms OTT - and assuming Vil will play the river perfect?

Thx..

When betting the turn assume that calling a shove is 0 EV

When checking behind on the turn assume that calling a river bet is 0 EV

In other words we assume that villain plays perfect in both lines.

Once we have done those calculations we can start thinking about if villain is likely to play perfect. I suggest that you use CardrunnersEV. Doing it by hand is likely a waste of time.

When betting the turn assume that calling a shove is 0 EV

When checking behind on the turn assume that calling a river bet is 0 EV

In other words we assume that villain plays perfect in both lines.

Once we have done those calculations we can start thinking about if villain is likely to play perfect. I suggest that you use CardrunnersEV. Doing it by hand is likely a waste of time.

Ok, I think I'am, getting your thoughts though the are hard to understand for me. Imo this villian is more likely to make a mistake OTR, because the fact that he is not barrel turn this time (he 3 barrelled AK in a similar spot some hands ago) makes me think he has a OP or a nutflushdraw which he will c/r if I bet and we don't wanna get it in vs. or play a huge pot even IP OTR if he elect to call the c/r. By checking turm, we are only putting ourself to make a decision on one street and it makes our equity much easier to estimate?

Ok, I think I'am, getting your thoughts though the are hard to understand for me. Imo this villian is more likely to make a mistake OTR, because the fact that he is not barrel turn this time (he 3 barrelled AK in a similar spot some hands ago) makes me think he has a OP or a nutflushdraw which he will c/r if I bet and we don't wanna get it in vs. or play a huge pot even IP OTR if he elect to call the c/r. By checking turm, we are only putting ourself to make a decision on one street and it makes our equity much easier to estimate?

The only way you will figure this out is if you play around with something like CrEV.