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CheckBehind

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Joined 03/2011

Hey all.
This hand was Btn v Sb (as the title suggests). I had been opening about 80% of Buttons and he had 3 bet twice in that situation over around 100 hands. He also just folded the BB vs my open too (not sure if that had much of a factor).

31/22/13.7 (small sample)- I'm not sure what to think of him, he got his stack from a crazy 3way 4bet pot pre all in on the flop of 9h3h5h with AA v KK v JJ (no one had a heart)

The notes I have on the player were:

" (slowplayed set on flop in multi-way pot) cbets a lot
Flat called a cbet with middle set with 1 player left to act behind on Js8s4x. Other player calls. Bet when checked to on 5x turn (19.5 into 33). Called.
Did not bet when checked to when 7s came on river.

Donked flop and bet turn with 33 on 2s4 6s 7s. Shut down on river"



Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1824605
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Hero (BTN): $151.38
SB: $290.22
BB: $107.57
UTG: $42.00
MP: $106.64
CO: $122.25

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with Q Spade 7 Club
3 folds, Hero raises to $3, SB calls $2.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($7.00) 9 Spade 7 Spade Q Heart (2 players)
SB bets $4.50, Hero raises to $13, SB calls $8.50

Turn: ($33.00) 9 Diamond (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($33.00) K Club (2 players)
SB bets $21.50, Hero calls ??


Now that you have graciously made it this far- here are my thoughts..

PRE: He can have a lot of suited aces, pocket pairs, suited connectors and most suited Broadways and most Broadways. I say most because I think that he would 3bet AJs+ and AQo+.

FLOP: Flopped set- I lowered the odds of it this time (but not ruled out) I thought that if he decided to fast play it and I have raised that he would 3bet the flop and try and get it in. There are also less combinations 7's and 9's.
He could have QT-QK, and combination of 8Ts and JT and AXs. Maybe 97s?
Small pocket pairs that he decided to try and win here and now. I thought they would fold to the raise though.
When he calls, I strongly think that he has a draw of some description.

TURN: The turn is pretty average for me- It counterfeits and my top 2. I check because I am now losing to any other Q and don't know if I am betting for value/protection or as a bluff. This makes it less likely that he has 99 because really.. Who makes Quads?

RIVER: JT gets there and KQ which was already beating me on the turn is good. The flush draw bricks as does T8. I chop with QT & QJ. I lost to Full houses and KJ and KT of spades.

Sorry for my rant. Any help would be great.
Thanks.

Posted 10 months ago

Miserry

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If we assume he is 3betting the flop with sets, i like your turn play with intention of folding the river, because his range beats us most of the time.

I never gonna assume unknown will donk/call fd there, before saw him do it, so we can rep flushes on the river to fold out his Qx.

Posted 10 months ago

1bigazzdog

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Joined 05/2011

Villains river value range looks something like some 9x,sets,KQ,AQ,JTs and his bluff range is something like Ax spades ,8Ts, and KT-KJ spades. So given this range it's an easy call as we only need like 40%. This is best case scenario for us now if villian also has JTo in his range and donks/3bets or 3bets pre his Ax spades villains river range now becomes heavily weighted toward value and the river is an easy fold.
As a standard the latter condition is more likely and I would fold here.

Posted 10 months ago

Adriano85

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I agree with folding. We never chop here because I don't think villain is betting his bluffcatchers.
Btw we only need 30% to make the call BE.

Posted 10 months ago

1bigazzdog

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I agree with folding. We never chop here because I don't think villain is betting his bluffcatchers.
Btw we only need 30% to make the call BE.


Sorry my bad yeh 28%

Posted 10 months ago

gamble_ftw

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I'm with folding too, there simply aren't enough bluff combos in his range - T8s is 3 combos (combo draw will surely try to get it in otf) likewise we can discount most nut flush draws I reckon. You're left with some lower flush draws which are probably 10 combos or so. JT alone is 16 combos, and he should call that pre to an 80% btn raiser.

Also your read that he checked behind set when flush draw completed...seems to be the scared type.

Posted 10 months ago

CheckBehind

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Thanks all.
This does sound like the best play is to fold the river, especially since he checked that past hand when the flush came in on the river.

He showed up with a wider range than I assumed he would in the end but I that is beside the point.

Posted 10 months ago

NoWayFolding

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Call river.

Flush draws missed. 9x, bets turn most of the time.
He is repping KT,KJ,JT and maybe maybe some weird 9x.

Im happy about the call too. Lots of people bluff here.

Posted 10 months ago




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