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SB: $93.96
Hero (BB): $227.81
UTG: $100.69
MP: $353.59
CO: $50.00
BTN: $100.00

Pre Flop: ($1.35) Hero is BB with A Q
4 folds, SB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4.55, SB raises to $10.50, Hero calls $5.95

Flop: ($21.60) J 6 3 (2 players)
SB bets $14.50, Hero calls $14.50

Turn: ($50.60) 2 (2 players)
SB bets $29, Hero?


Villain 36/26. 140 hands or so, opening 30% + from all positions. 18% Fold 3B over 16 samples. SB open is 40% thus far, 97% cbet.

I 3B him first hand, he called and I ended up value towning his 67s. I 3B him again he snap 4B, I called in position, he bet flop with TP Ax, and I called with middle pair. (he showed A6o, I showed QJs)

Relevant notes:
-His bet sizing in 4B pots has been huge twice already - both bets were also fast and relatively weak.
-Potentially doesn't seem to be very in tune to dynamics, as he continued bluffing on a bad card in another 3B pot.


I think given the speed at which this guy was playing (like his general timing seemed kinda crazy and just too fast for someone who's capable of backing down to aggression) his 4B here includes A2o-A9o 100% of the time, lots of other junk, and then QQ+/AK, maybe JJ-TT but not sure yet how he thinks in terms of value 4Betting.

FWIW I don't think it's fair to put him down as a maniac as there are quite a few players at these deep tables who are very loose, erratic and do totally weird and seemingly fishy crazy shit but are huge winners over big samples.

My range to flat his 4B here I think should be 99+/ATs+,KQs-KTs. Don't think I'm 5Betting anything except for KQo.

On flop he snap bet. I think nuts/premiums may tank slightly (thinking about sizing or trickery), at least some % of the time. On turn he tanked for ~3.5 seconds or so before betting again.


What do you think of my pre-flop ranges? What should I do with Ace high on this turn?

if he plays this fast, I don´t think that you can read something in the timing.

Flop seems like a call. I think you can raise some % of the time. Turn is a fold.
Given your history I think I would fold the flop and wait until I get a hand.

Could always 5b/fold pre, something like 22.50

definitely do not 5b/fold. you would need a read that he would only shove better AND would specifically call OOP with a lot of his 4b bluff holdings. you would also need this to be better than flatting the 4b...

your ultimate goal here should be to exploit his mistakes. he seems to have a few in the form of putting in too much money too loosely OOP. we don't really know much about his barreling tendencies, but we do know he arrives at the turn with a very high % of his preflop range, in theory.

if this were all true, i would support a shove. you obviously are not in good shape at all when called, but we expect that he is barreling enough air, gutshots and naked FDs that he should be folding a lot.

however, you could easily be extrapolating too far. it's unlikely that his stats are this exaggerated with these stacks and when called on this board. so it is likely just a turn fold.

the rest of the hand should be planned based on ^^^^.

This guy is just clicking buttons like a boss, why don`t you wait for a better oportunity to just stack him, and exploit his tendecies to the max.How it played out i think turn fold vs turn shove 80:20%.Flatting turn means you need to call any river basically, much worse option then shoving turn yourself imo.

well he's not just clicking buttons, he's clicking bet and raise (too much) so exploiting him can take a number of forms, including (potentially) calling flop and jamming turn here.

definitely do not 5b/fold. you would need a read that he would only shove better AND would specifically call OOP with a lot of his 4b bluff holdings. you would also need this to be better than flatting the 4b...

your ultimate goal here should be to exploit his mistakes. he seems to have a few in the form of putting in too much money too loosely OOP. we don't really know much about his barreling tendencies, but we do know he arrives at the turn with a very high % of his preflop range, in theory.

if this were all true, i would support a shove. you obviously are not in good shape at all when called, but we expect that he is barreling enough air, gutshots and naked FDs that he should be folding a lot.

however, you could easily be extrapolating too far. it's unlikely that his stats are this exaggerated with these stacks and when called on this board. so it is likely just a turn fold.

the rest of the hand should be planned based on ^^^^.

Pretty much this. If he has as much air as you think then yeah shoving is good but its really likely that you're exaggerating it over a relatively small sample. Its also super high variance even if he does have a tonne of air or very weak hands you still might get hero called by A3o or some weak draw and there are all the times he actually has a hand to so you have to be really certain on your evaluation of his range and aggression.
It's hard to tell how good or bad your preflop range is as we don't know how he will react to a 5 bet.
If he is calling really wide then your range is awful and as you miss out on a tonne of value from your stronger hands.
If he is going to play really tight to a 5bet and 6 bet jam only AA and KK and just flat the 3 bet with TT+ and AQ+ then your range is amazing as you keep his range really wide.
Lots of variation but yeah need more info.

well he's not just clicking buttons, he's clicking bet and raise (too much) so exploiting him can take a number of forms, including (potentially) calling flop and jamming turn here.

I know, it`s just an ironic way of saying he is MAYBE being overly agressive, barelling bad cards with low equity if any, and is, considering his stack size probably a fish.

But let me ask you this, would you ever float this flop yourself, against this type of opponent that you know is not gonna shut down on the turn, with intention of 3b shoving any blank turn?
Or would you rather muck ur hand on the flop and wait for a better spot?

I know, it`s just an ironic way of saying he is MAYBE being overly agressive, barelling bad cards with low equity if any, and is, considering his stack size probably a fish.

But let me ask you this, would you ever float this flop yourself, against this type of opponent that you know is not gonna shut down on the turn, with intention of 3b shoving any blank turn?

That actually sounds like a decent plan, probably higher EV than playing fit or fold

ah ok. just curious why you call that ironic?

That actually sounds like a decent plan, probably higher EV than playing fit or fold

What does? Floating the flop, with intention to bluff shove any blank turn?
How can that ever be more +Ev against a maniacal barreling fish (if we can label him like that) then playing fit or fold?
In this hand it might be, but in the overall game plan, shouldn`t we look to trap this guy if he`s almost always gonna 3 barrel no matter the board texture or our percieved range, and stack him?
Or did you ment it as a good plan for this hand in particular?

ah ok. just curious why you call that ironic?

English is not my native language, so i might have(probably did) used it in the wrong context.I ment to say:It`s just another way of saying he is... or- In other words he is...

What does? Floating the flop, with intention to bluff shove any blank turn?
How can that ever be more +Ev against a maniacal barreling fish (if we can label him like that) then playing fit or fold?
In this hand it might be, but in the overall game plan, shouldn`t we look to trap this guy if he`s almost always gonna 3 barrel no matter the board texture or our percieved range, and stack him?
Or did you ment it as a good plan for this hand in particular?

I meant this hand, but actually maybe any similar spot where you have some equity on a dry board. If you call 4b wide and fold every time you miss the flop I think you might be losing a ton to someone who's so aggro. I'm not saying shoving here is def better than just folding the flop or turn, but I could see how one can make an argument supporting it. You're winning a ton when he folds, and usually have some equity when called.

I shipped turn villain tanked called down with A6o - which I think he'd probably end up shipping himself on overs/diamonds, maybe even blanks, if i did call.

I just couldn't fold flop given how much of his pre-flop range was getting there and betting again. I feel like I'm just getting run over if I call a 4B and then fold Jxx with AQ high when he gets there with A8o and whatever other crap.

as played, flop is standard. congrats on having the balls to jam turn here. yes, you lost, but just following through on reads and learning can be a huge boost to your development as a player.

That`s why i was against it, this guy is not thinkin about hand ranges or nothing because his dumb gorilla logic always puts you on Ak.So if you had 88+ you stack him, good read though.I`m surprised he even tanked.