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Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1811109
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BTN: $44.91
SB: $35.50
BB: $55.22
UTG: $116.01
Hero (MP): $100.00
CO: $100.00

CO posts a big blind ($1)

Pre Flop: ($2.50) Hero is MP with T J
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, CO calls $3, 3 folds

Flop: ($9.50) 2 Q K (2 players)
Hero bets $5.98, CO calls $5.98

Turn: ($21.46) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $13.52, CO calls $13.52

River: ($48.50) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $30.57, CO calls $30.57


My perceived range includes basically all the strong/nutted hands on this board so against an unknown this is standard 3 barrel right?

Hard to say. Against an unknown you should not play guessing game. Particularly nowadays where people don´t like folding much
Maybe you should start with giving him a range first, calling your early OR in CO with 3players (less than 60bb) behind and calling 2 streets on that board. So what´s his range here?
When you decide to barrel that turn against an unknown I think you should do that with the intension of barreling most rivers, too but calling twice on that board looks pretty draw heavy to me so I am not too happy about that river. Imo u could make the bluff cheaper like 1/2 pot?

How does calling look draw heavy? Draws are raising some percentage of the time, and I have blockers To a straight draw.

Judging by the fact he posted preflop, i think we can give him a decently wide range. I think when we get to the river his range looks something like this: KQ, KJ, KT, AQ, QJ, QTs, 9Ts, and maybe some randOm low connected spades.

I feel like most of that will fold to a 3rd barrel.

My fault,

didn´t see that he posted pre but I don´t think we can assume bad players will raise their draws. I mean we don´t know b/c he is "unknown" but I would generally tend to the assumption that they rather call than raise their draws/combodraws here . for sure there is a chance we could get him off a hand like Kx but like I said we dont know so I think my play would be cb flop and give up unimproved non heart turns against an unknown. Maybe a leak of mine? Not sure, interesting hand. Would like to hear some other thoughts.

I like your line, as TheGroucH said once you fire the second barrel you should barrel most rivers and I like doing it when the flush draw completes both because it's hard to give him credit for a fd here (he shouldn't call with sc with all those short stacks behind and he'll raise at least some of his big FDs, if not all of them) and because you'll do the same when you have the flush.

That said I'll try to save a little money on the river, I think a 25-26$ bet will do it as fine as your size and you'll save 4-5$.

Your plan for a hand is good, but your bet sizing doesn't go with it. Imagine you have KK/QQ/22/KQ in this spot and please write here what would be your sizing now

Your plan for a hand is good, but your bet sizing doesn't go with it. Imagine you have KK/QQ/22/KQ in this spot and please write here what would be your sizing now

My default would be to use this same bet sizing.

I could see an argument for betting smaller on the river to get called by a wider range.

What would your bet sizing be?

My default would be to use this same bet sizing.

I am almost sure you wouldn't But if you would, you have a leak man, double your betsize = double your winrate on the flop, where you will get plenty of action!

If I were you, I'd bet:

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1811109
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BTN: $44.91
SB: $35.50
BB: $55.22
UTG: $116.01
Hero (MP): $100.00
CO: $100.00

CO posts a big blind ($1)

Pre Flop: ($2.50) Hero is MP with T J
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, CO calls $3, 3 folds

Flop: ($9.50) 2 Q K (2 players)
Hero bets $8, CO calls $8

Turn: ($25.50) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $20, CO calls $20

River: ($65.00) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $52, CO calls $52 - YOU MAD BRO?

i agree you should bet bigger on this flop since you re range often hits so you as more value hands than bluff hands so you should bet bigger (+ he can calls with a lot of draw)
in the same time on A83r you should bet small since your range got a lot of bluffs
is that what you mean stack?
i m not used to put 8 on 9.5 on KQss but slighy more than 3/4 (7.1) but maybe it 's does not stick enough with my sentences above (i would bet 7.5 when you do 8 with all my betting range)

Your plan for a hand is good, but your bet sizing doesn't go with it. Imagine you have KK/QQ/22/KQ in this spot and please write here what would be your sizing now

It is a mistake to design a bet size for a very small portion of our range.

It is a mistake to design a bet size for a very small portion of our range.

It is a mistake to encourage Villain to call, when we are bluffing (although sometimes small 'v-bet looking' bets are more efficient, but that's not the case in this hand). People usually do give away bet sizing tells (they bet more when they have a strong hand). I guess you mean this might be something exploitable, but I wouldn't care, since lots of people are playing 9-12 tables = they have no idea what's going on, they are just clicking buttons and playing their own cards.

Villain called AA here, probably because he had A himself, but against a bigger sizing he would have a hard time calling this hand. Not mentioning all the Kx/Qx hands, that he would have simply folded. If he doesn't, I make a note and v-bet them even harder.

Villain called AA here, probably because he had A himself, but against a bigger sizing he would have a hard time calling this hand. Not mentioning all the Kx/Qx hands, that he would have simply folded. If they don't, I make a note and v-bet them even harder.

It doesn't matter what villain does with 1 particular hand or a small part of their range. Just because villain folds AA here to a bigger bet does it mean your bigger bet is higher EV? Bigger bet needs to make villain fold a larger portion of his range to have the same EV as a smaller bet. Villain doesn't have AA he have a range of hands.

If you see villain call down here with AA or KJ how do you construct your betting range on the river now? How do you know where KJ sits in relation to his bluff catching range? Just because you saw him call with KJ here does it mean you should "value bet" AK here?

It doesn't matter what villain does with 1 particular hand or a small part of their range. Just because villain folds AA here to a bigger bet does it mean your bigger bet is higher EV? Bigger bet needs to make villain fold a larger portion of his range to have the same EV as a smaller bet. Villain doesn't have AA he have a range of hands.

I am aware of that and I do think bigger bluff sizing should have a higher EV vs Villain's range.

If you see villain call down here with AA or KJ how do you construct your betting range on the river now? How do you know where KJ sits in relation to his bluff catching range? Just because you saw him call with KJ here does it mean you should "value bet" AK here?

AA - I will 4b bluff him more, because his 3b range is going to be weaker now.
KJ - I will v-bet all sets. Sets now are almost at the top of my value range:

(I put half of AK combos here)

Board: 2s Qs Kh 4d 7s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 68.966% 68.97% 00.00% 60 0.00 { QQ }
Hand 1: 31.034% 31.03% 00.00% 27 0.00 { AKs, AsJs, AsTs, As9s, As8s, KJs+, JsTs, Ts9s, 9s8s, AcKd, AcKh, AcKs, AdKh, AdKs, AhKs, KJo+ }

AK is not good enough to v-bet against this range, 41.3% equity.
The difference is, that we can feel more comfortable with v-betting sets or two pair, because we know he can't lay down top pair.

It is a mistake to encourage Villain to call, when we are bluffing (although sometimes small 'v-bet looking' bets are more efficient, but that's not the case in this hand).

You get just as many folds betting 6 into 9.50 as you do betting 7.5 into 9.50.

When we bet the flop we are not bluffing we are playing the range that we bet the flop with. It might seem a little abstract to you... but once you get used to it poker becomes a much more interesting game..

You get just as many folds betting 6 into 9.50 as you do betting 7.5 into 9.50.

When we bet the flop we are not bluffing we are playing the range that we bet the flop with. It might seem a little abstract to you... but once you get used to it poker becomes a much more interesting game..

since my range is pretty tight from MP, I will be bluffing less on this flop, so this would be a spot to cbet larger as apposed to if. I opened the btn. Right?