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villain is 31/22, pretty aggro post flop, bluffing pot size bet multiple times when checked to.

this is the first time he 3b in the 5 orbits we've played. (31 hands)

are you raising here on flop or turn or just let him barrel?

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1810139
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Hero (BTN): $112.68
SB: $116.26
BB: $101.50
UTG: $102.16
MP: $139.56
CO: $100.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with Q T
3 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, SB raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $3.50

Flop: ($13.00) T 4 T (2 players)
SB bets $8.69, Hero calls $8.69

Turn: ($30.38) 9 (2 players)
SB bets $20.30, Hero calls $20.30

River: ($70.98) J (2 players)
SB bets $68.18, Hero calls $68.18

note: clearly i should just shove the other $11 in on river if i think i'm good here, i thought he shoved

Prob -EV calling a 3 bet with this hand, with no reads on 3 bet range, as your prob gonna play fit or fold on the flop, and villain is aggressive, lucky to hit this flop,....As played I dont see much value in raising as we have position and villain is gonna barrell off his value anyways, raising we just pretty much fold his bluffs and get called by the top of his range, so why not flat and keep his range wide...

Prob -EV calling a 3 bet with this hand, with no reads on 3 bet range, as your prob gonna play fit or fold on the flop, and villain is aggressive, lucky to hit this flop,....As played I dont see much value in raising as we have position and villain is gonna barrell off his value anyways, raising we just pretty much fold his bluffs and get called by the top of his range, so why not flat and keep his range wide...

Folding preflop would be a big mistake.

i think its a fantastic hand to flat with pre IP and a great drawing hand lol like what improva said

Preflop
Vs polarized 3-betting ranges this hand is good to call with. Vs depolarized it's asking for serious trouble. Given this sizing you can call regardless, the pot odds are just too good.

Flop
You have your read telling you that he is bluff happy, so I don't see any better line. Well played.

He seems pretty aggressive given your reads. I think you played this perfectly.

Folding preflop would be a big mistake.

cool, are we flatting pre because villain is prob flatting his AJ KQ type of hands pre and 3 betting polarized and we have postion and its a tiny 3 bet pre?? and were gonna be able to flat a lot of flops and watch villain become honest on turns?? Just wondering cause Iam prob making this mistake a lot then folding to much to 3 bets.

cool, are we flatting pre because villain is prob flatting his AJ KQ type of hands pre and 3 betting polarized and we have postion and its a tiny 3 bet pre?? and were gonna be able to flat a lot of flops and watch villain become honest on turns?? Just wondering cause Iam prob making this mistake a lot then folding to much to 3 bets.

No, we are calling this 3-bet, because:
- we are IP
- we were offered sick pot odds to call

Normally this is a fold, because you don't know whether his range polarized or depolarized, so chances are you can make a huge mistake (aka flop Q72-5-9 and you get owned by AQ, which is a part of a depolarized 3-betting range).

No, we are calling this 3-bet, because:
- we are IP
- we were offered sick pot odds to call

Normally this is a fold, because you don't know whether his range polarized or depolarized, so chances are you can make a huge mistake (aka flop Q72-5-9 and you get owned by AQ, which is a part of a depolarized 3-betting range).

so then what are we doing on TP flops Qxx Txx folding to aggression on turns, rivers?? we be playing a lot of fit or fold on flops?? so QTo be a fold??

I am not sure if I would open raise QTo against someone like him (call me a nit . But my adaption would be to bluff 4b him lighter and open raise tighter. Calling pre with QTo would never be an option for me. I don´t see how i could play this hand post flop profitable against some one who is that barrel happy without huge variance.

@ Improva: Would be better if you could justify what you wrote next time for OP. I mean he prob. got nothing out of your sentence only that it´s a huge mistake but the most important thing "WHY" you completely ignored.

so then what are we doing on TP flops Qxx Txx folding to aggression on turns, rivers?? we be playing a lot of fit or fold on flops?? so QTo be a fold??

With TP we can definitely call him at least once and see he it proceeds on next streets. And yes, we can mostly play fit/fold (we will hit something interesting roughly 30% of the time and we've been offered 27% pot odds, so calling looks fine).
QT would be also a call. I wouldn't fold almost anything half decent vs such small 3-bet. At least to see what he is going to do on the flop after 3-betting small.

I am not sure if I would open raise QTo against someone like him (call me a nit .

Not opening QT on the btn would horrendous. Especially against someone who you know will dump money into the pot.

cool, are we flatting pre because villain is prob flatting his AJ KQ type of hands pre and 3 betting polarized and we have postion and its a tiny 3 bet pre?? and were gonna be able to flat a lot of flops and watch villain become honest on turns?? Just wondering cause Iam prob making this mistake a lot then folding to much to 3 bets.

We are OTB and are opening 50% of hands. SB is likely 3betting +12% of hands. Folding is out of the question when we have position. Even if we have no knowledge about villain's range folding is out of the question.

I am not sure if I would open raise QTo against someone like him (call me a nit . But my adaption would be to bluff 4b him lighter and open raise tighter. Calling pre with QTo would never be an option for me. I don´t see how i could play this hand post flop profitable against some one who is that barrel happy without huge variance.

@ Improva: Would be better if you could justify what you wrote next time for OP. I mean he prob. got nothing out of your sentence only that it´s a huge mistake but the most important thing "WHY" you completely ignored.

Sry did not see your answer before now. I guess I could have given a longer answer, but I was very surprised to see anybody suggest a fold preflop (given the positions).

Your post also made me think a little about the range one should be able to open at this table:

22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q4s+,J6s+,T6s+,96s+,85s+,75s+,64s+,54s,A2o+,K6o+,Q8o+,J8o+,T8o+,98o,87o

If that is too wide then it is likely best to leave the table.

How did this end up being a discussion about preflop? Clearly, the river is where it gets interesting. What is villain's range for betting the river?