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Yeah I mean he can have flushes, FH's, Ax, etc. for value. Even your read is correct that he 1/2 pots for value, he can still have better hands that are bluffing here. 65s is only 4 combos.

Ok, so i have a big sample on this guy.He would NEVER shove a flush, he always value bets 1/3 or half pot on the river with strong made hands.Secondly i watched him play str8 draws, vs me and others, and he always plays them the same:Calls flop, calls turn, bluffs river if misses-or-Calls flop, raises the turn if he hits.Fd`s and top pairs, he always raises on the flop.

none of the above justifies the call.
65s is pretty much the only group of hands you beat.

What about: (35s, 68s, 58s, 63s that this guy is not folding to a 3b)
Maybe it`s spew in the long run i dunno, prolly is, but i make these calls once in 5k hands.Against this guy i was almost sure i had the best hand due to notes and reads.Against an unkown, i would fold 100% of the time.

Noreaga, your hand is interesting, but I'd like to see his VPIP stats and fold vs 3b. I don't get what you did bet twice:
- Ax are unlikely to fold OTF and never on this turn
- pocket pairs could possibly flat
- it is very, very unlikely for him to have backdoor FDs

Notes on the villain:
1. Doesn`t value bet thin - top pair with Ax is definitely not thin
2. doesn`t give up on the hand post flop - you mean he floats with everything? Is he stabby? If that's the case (+his range is wide enough), then you have a pretty easy x/c OTT - you beat vast majority of his range with your KQ-high. If not, I don't mind barreling, providing he doesn't float twice.
3. c/r top pair and fd on flop, c/c str8 draw 9/10, c/r turn if he hits, 1/3 or half pots river for value - this is an extremely important note. Given your note he can't have any decent pair like 88-JJ, can have straight draws (65s only), can't have value OTR.

Problem is, we don't know how he plays with his monsters (77, 4x, slowplayed premiums). He may have at least 4-6 value combos, which already makes your bluff catching OTR unprofitable if he has only 4 bluffing combos. If he has more (random Kx, Qx, Jx) - bluff catching makes more sense, but you don't know that, "doesn't give up on the hand post flop" is just too general. On the other hand, bet sizing tells tend to be often pretty strong, so all in all - I think your call is not bad.


I had a hand today when my triple x/c with A-high was based only on one single read:
- POTS w/ draws also when misses (and I have seen him v-betting with smaller amounts)
Guy plays 40/24, c-bets 100% OTF and 100% OTT. Very aggressive.

$100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players -
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SB: $100.50
Hero (BB): $114.95
UTG: $96.05
MP: $101.50
CO: $294.98
BTN: $180.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with A 9
2 folds, CO raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6.50) Q 8 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $6.50, Hero calls $6.50

Turn: ($19.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $19.50, Hero calls $19.50

River: ($58.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $35.00, Hero calls $35

Final Pot: $128.50
CO shows T J
Hero wins $125.50
(Rake: $3.00)

that shit cray

His pf stats were something like 37/30 ft3b-15% over a big sample, i`m too tired to dig trough pokertracker now.He flats, and even cold calls 3/4 bets in and out of position with any value hands, but he specifically likes suited connected hands.

Prior to this hand, i saw he him cold call a squeeze ip, with 74s, and stack off on A53tt bd with fd and a gs.He is staby when checked to, but plays his draws differently as i mention, raises fd and just calls str8 drws, but will stab or 3barrell if checked to.

On the flop basically i make a standard cbet to get him of his air, he calls.Turn, when he calls a put him on trips, that he was also slowplay/raise on the turn and make small river bets with, small/medium pp`s, ace high that is too stubborn to fold, and str8 drws with some bd fd`s.Ace high is less likely bc he would only call with a suited ace, and fold all ragy small aces.

So when the ace hits on the turn, i bet little bigger like i would for value if i had an ace and try to protect from fd`s, he just calls.

River completes a bd flush, but misses everything else.Now if he did have small or medium pp, he would check back the river as i seen him do.A strong ace, like Aq,Aj,A10 he would bet 1/3, or 1/2 pot.A flush he would also value bet half pot bc he wants to get called.I know if i bet the river myself, he would fold, or call, so i check to induce bc at this point i have such a solid read on his river actions that i can almost play perfect vs him

After i check, he insta overbet shoves and i make a call, bc i told myself before i checked i would call a shove and fold to a bet.

On the other hand, bet sizing tells tend to be often pretty strong, so all in all - I think your call is not bad.

The biggest reason on which i base my action.

everyone else gives a lot of arguments for why the kj hand is not similiar and played not good. this is not trolling or whatever you say, and this is no like up/downside of different plays like in other interesting and readworthy threads. this is just very easy range, pokerstove, not call. and if you call (what i meant in the first place that makes it worse), not be resultoriented
the whole point is you gotta think what line is the highest ev (what is the one and only that matters in every single poker decision) and therefore you gotta thing of his range and the best play (why tbh im pretty sure betting has higher ev than c/c in the Jhand of op). the kj hand is just massive -ev as played for given reasons in this thread and anything -ev is obv not highest ev

everyone else gives a lot of arguments for why the kj hand is not similiar and played not good. this is not trolling or whatever you say, and this is no like up/downside of different plays like in other interesting and readworthy threads. this is just very easy range, pokerstove, not call. and if you call (what i meant in the first place that makes it worse), not be resultoriented
the whole point is you gotta think what line is the highest ev (what is the one and only that matters in every single poker decision) and therefore you gotta thing of his range and the best play (why tbh im pretty sure betting has higher ev than c/c in the Jhand of op). the kj hand is just massive -ev as played for given reasons in this thread and anything -ev is obv not highest ev

Stop talking about Ev and pokerstove.Dude pokerstove has nothing to do with rock solid reads.Here you go again talking how u where not trolling, but you jumped to critisize as soon as you saw Improva`s post who`s opinion i respect a lot.And again you provide no hand analysis of your own, but some shallow + and -Ev talk.I just hate it how today people are overusing pokerstove and hud to rely on, when making decisions about certain play, and not their own notes/reads and intuition.Tell me, if you played against a bot, who always makes the same play, over, and over, would u pokerstove his range or click call if you know he always bluffs the same spots?I rest my case.

Calling with the bottom of your range sure works out when they're bluffing, now post the hands where you get valued to death and feel like an idiot.

Stop talking about Ev and pokerstove.Dude pokerstove has nothing to do with rock solid reads.Here you go again talking how u where not trolling, but you jumped to critisize as soon as you saw Improva`s post who`s opinion i respect a lot.And again you provide no hand analysis of your own, but some shallow + and -Ev talk.I just hate it how today people are overusing pokerstove and hud to rely on, when making decisions about certain play, and not their own notes/reads and intuition.Tell me, if you played against a bot, who always makes the same play, over, and over, would u pokerstove his range or click call if you know he always bluffs the same spots?I rest my case.

hm you are right mr. i never had the idea in a forum to win a "battle of opinion". seems as we disagree and if you are right, im wrong and im okay with that. i still dont think so, i said it 2, or 3 times in this thread and reason is - again - just very basic hand reading based on action, position, player type and board texture. it seems you think you made the right play anyway and so there is no point for me to continue writing in this thread, but better answer to some microstakes hands where people wanna actually improve and i can give back to community what is my whole point of posting here
and no, im not saying reads are not important. they are

With the massive bet sizing tell the hand is obv a call

Bet river > C/c.

I also think betting turn and betting river > betting turn and check river.

A few draws on this board aswell as some pairs which may fold river.

Otherwise I just give up on turn; but bet/bet/bet is probably a more +EV line.

hm you are right mr. i never had the idea in a forum to win a "battle of opinion". seems as we disagree and if you are right, im wrong and im okay with that. i still dont think so, i said it 2, or 3 times in this thread and reason is - again - just very basic hand reading based on action, position, player type and board texture. it seems you think you made the right play anyway and so there is no point for me to continue writing in this thread, but better answer to some microstakes hands where people wanna actually improve and i can give back to community what is my whole point of posting here
and no, im not saying reads are not important. they are

Cool, i agree.

With the massive bet sizing tell the hand is obv a call

Lol Respect

Prior to this hand, i saw he him cold call a squeeze ip, with 74s, and stack off on A53tt bd with fd and a gs.

Double gutshot, so he has 15 outs, pretty good to stack off I think, the pre flop call is pretty awfull though.

lol this thread turned into bluff catch maybe...to hijack same thought process.... spew...i got reads...argument....oh its okay...random thoughts that dont matter

Does anyone watch gossip girls?

Stackhunter - I dont really understand your original post. We are not surely thinking of calling river here??

We dont actually have a bluffcatcher IMO - many of his bluffs beat us. Surely if we think he is bluffing (which we dont appear to have reason to) we should be raising to make sure his bluff does not beat our bluff?