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Why does my range look wide when I cbet this board into two players? I also do not think that he is raising my cbet with a wide range.

I agree that this isn't an ideal spot/board to have to play a turn OOP, but I don't think that alone makes getting it in the best play.

I didnt see it was a multi way pot, you can still have draws in your range though so you it looks wider than 2 pair or a set in his eyes. He some pair+ straight draws in his range (i can deffo see someone do this with AK), 2 pairs, flush draws and TT. We are absolutely crushing his entire range and are beat specifically by only AJ and KK, vs AJ we have outs.

I didnt see it was a multi way pot, you can still have draws in your range though so you it looks wider than 2 pair or a set in his eyes. He some pair+ straight draws in his range (i can deffo see someone do this with AK), 2 pairs, flush draws and TT. We are absolutely crushing his entire range and are beat specifically by only AJ and KK, vs AJ we have outs.

What I find interesting about this spot is what his range consists of combinatorically. I don't think he ever has AK here (most likely 3betting pre and probably not raising flop). He probably has all 16 combos of AJ and 4 combos of J9s. So that's 20 combos that beat us. There are 3 of TT, 3 of KQ, and then I would give him maybe like half of the Ax of spades combos, so like 4-5. So we are looking at like 11 combos that we are ahead of when we get it in. I'm also not sure that he always gets it in with KQ. So I guess what that this spot comes down to is how often he is raising his pair+draw hands and worse FD's, etc.

I play flop the same we never get it in good and a lot of regs at these stakes don't raise (and stack) KQ here.

edit: looks like we have 45 to 55% equity vs his range (depending on how he plays kq/tt) and turns and rivers are going to be tough so jamming can never be bad.

I play flop the same we never get it in good and a lot of regs at these stakes don't raise (and stack) KQ here.

edit: looks like we have 45 to 55% equity vs his range (depending on how he plays kq/tt) and turns and rivers are going to be tough so jamming can never be bad.

I'm curious as to what you put in for his stacking off range?

Yeah it seems jamming is only bad if he's only getting it in with like AJ, J9.

Also in villain's shoes, what would you do with TT?

KQ is like the easiest fold in the world, but I'm also thinking TT should be a fold given that we start the hand 125bb deep. A lot of it might come down to how often hero is opening J9o in the CO. In this particular spot I would almost always open J9o because of the weaker player and also since BTN isn't that aggressive of a 3bettor. In that case, I think villain getting it in with TT would not be great with these stacks unless there is a pretty aggro dynamic or he views me as spewy/tends to overvalue hands.

Edit: taking J9o out of hero's range doesn't really change villain's equity with TT. (looking at probably 30-35% against a reasonable shoving range)

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board: qkt
qcqh 45.63% (12,058 wins, 279 ties)
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obv if he isn't raising all of his nfds it skews it more towards ~35%, i still think calling and playing a turn is the play.

Yah I really dont like shoving into a range that can rarely call but will probably put his chips in on the turn

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BTN: $1075.65
SB: $280.26
BB: $161.68
Hero (CO): $251.99

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is CO with Q Q
Hero raises to $6.00, BTN calls $6, 1 fold, BB calls $4

Flop: ($19.00) Q T K (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $14.25, BTN raises to $45.91, BB folds, Hero calls $31.66

Turn: ($110.82) A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($110.82) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $73.88, Hero?

Ch/c is the play here right? He would almost always bet his Jx OTT and he can be thin value betting TT-KQ or occasionally bluffing missed spades.

I think I'd bet like $36 otr and do the same with missed spades.

I think I'd bet like $36 otr and do the same with missed spades.

Why with QQ?
Why with missed spades?

Why with QQ?

we can get value out of ATss, KQ, TT, etc. obv betting Jx too.

Why with missed spades?

get him to fold Axss, air.

makes us a little harder to play against overall and he isn't going to be that often so we want a betting range on the river.

edit: reason for sizing is basically we have alot more value hands than air so we want to give them better pot odds when we're vbetting and they have to fold less often when we have air.

we can get value out of ATss, KQ, TT, etc. obv betting Jx too.

get him to fold Axss, air.

makes us a little harder to play against overall and he isn't going to be that often so we want a betting range on the river.

edit: reason for sizing is basically we have alot more value hands than air so we want to give them better pot odds when we're vbetting and they have to fold less often when we have air.

QQ sounds good to me but you are contradicting yourself. All the reasons for betting QQ make betting your missed spades bad, I dont think we need to worry at balance in this spot at all like you said his calling range vs this bet is pretty wide any way so by betting air your potentially negating the value you get when you have the best hand.

if he's going to fold atleast 1/4 of the time -- which i think is reasonable given alot of his value hands that value raise the flop {aj, j9s} will bet the turn so they aren't in his river range and therefore is a little more skewed toward kq/axss/air -- i'm not contradicting myself, if we bet the river (for 1/3 pot) so betting any 2 cards would be +ev (ie bluffing), but we have >50% equity vs his calling range w/ qq once he checks turn, so we can value bet. we need to be the same size with our entire range because if he figures out our strategy it's very easy to exploit us.

edit: in my last post i made a typo:

makes us a little harder to play against overall and he isn't going to bet that often so we want a betting range on the river.