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terp

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nice to see someone being such an active note taker, but all that is worthless if you make leaks as fundamental as calling here pre. what did you think his range was? how did you expect KTs to play v that range?

Posted 12 months ago

rohan68

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hello

mmm i have not been in details
i just thought he 3bets me a lo and i want to keep the fish in the hand, in hu i would 4bet/fold
maybe i can give him something like that
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.080% 40.81% 00.27% 405336840 2646528.00 { KTs }
Hand 1: 58.920% 58.65% 00.27% 582506424 2646528.00 { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+, A9o-A2o }

but my hand is good for agression with a smal STPR and i will X/R a lot of flops

i nearly never call oop with this hand, thats why i post the hand :=)

thanks and have a nice day

Posted 12 months ago

terp

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well, he looks fairly nitty, first of all, even if he was 3betting slightly more this session than he usually does. that can come down to simple variance rather than adjustment.

second, it's a bad idea to take an equity-dominated hand OOP with not much of a plan except to flop a monster or hope he plays completely w/o bluffs.

last, you should 3bet this holding yourself, particularly in a situation where you think if you flat the BB will 3bet frequently.

Posted 12 months ago

rohan68

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ok thanks i totally agree i should have 3bet
have a nice day

Posted 12 months ago

direstraights

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well, he looks fairly nitty, first of all, even if he was 3betting slightly more this session than he usually does. that can come down to simple variance rather than adjustment.

second, it's a bad idea to take an equity-dominated hand OOP with not much of a plan except to flop a monster or hope he plays completely w/o bluffs.

last, you should 3bet this holding yourself, particularly in a situation where you think if you flat the BB will 3bet frequently.



Not that I agree with calling pre-flop, but if I were going to call pre-flop than KTs is definitely one of the "non-nut" hands that I would call pre-flop in order to prevent his 4bet range from folding out my depolarized value range.

Yea, sure KTs doesn't do well vs AK, TT+, but we're blocking combinations of AK, KK, TT, we're suited and the Kxs hands in villain's 4bet range suffer from the same problem vs. us.

I mean, we need to argue about whether or not you should ever 3bet/call vs ~2x 4bets at all or what hands we should call vs ~2x 4bets, and in the second case those AQo, AJo, KQo AJs, KQs, ATs, KJs type hands are kind of like the prime sub-range for doing this kind of stuff if shoving them isn't higher EV.

Posted 12 months ago

terp

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dire, i think i know what you're talking about, but my point was specific to this spot - when we are the SB sandwiched between the opener and a reg. we're going to have to play more of our range by 3b here due to positions.

Posted 12 months ago

direstraights

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dire, i think i know what you're talking about, but my point was specific to this spot - when we are the SB sandwiched between the opener and a reg. we're going to have to play more of our range by 3b here due to positions.



Sorry selective reading on my part, I missed the section where calling and not playing passively post-flop was the condition set, not that calling a 4bet with KTs was a poor choice in regards to hand selection for doing so. I agree with 3betting pre-flop obviously, I rarely do much else here.

Apologies for the reading comprehension fail.

Posted 12 months ago




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