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Cassava Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1791780
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BB: $198.63
UTG: $162.83
Hero (CO): $142.46
BTN: $131.86
SB: $100.50

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with 8 8
1 fold, Hero raises to $3, 2 folds, BB raises to $9.50, Hero calls $6.50

Flop: ($19.50) K Q 8 (2 players)
BB bets $12, Hero calls $12

Turn: ($43.50) J (2 players)
BB bets $32.62, Hero calls $32.62

River: ($108.74) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $108.74, Hero ?

Villian is one of the better regs. He 3bets a lot from the BB and I decide to call

The flop is std.
I dont like raising the turn because he could easily have me beat and I´m not sure if i can stackoff for 140bb
What do you think he´s betting on the turn with?
I discount KQ and KJ because I think he will just flat them pre.

(With CR-EV)
If i give him 2p+ (with KJs/KQs) -> stackoff
pair + OESD (KT/QT/JT) -> fold
pair + FD -> fold
its even -EV .

What do you think?

You have to give more information about villain to get some good opinions on it... Without any stats it´s hard to say what he is 3betting preflop or if he could be 3 barreling as a bluff...

I´d not expect him to 3barrel as a bluff without any history or him being overly aggressive. So it´s probably just a matter of putting his range into pokerstove. I´d say his range looks something like that: KK,QQ,JJ,T9s, maybe like 4 combos of KQ, maybe 2 combos of AA (just really hard to say without more information). Maybe you can also add 1-2 bluffcombos, again hard to say...

Don´t got poker stove right here, but seems to me like a call, given you need to be good about 30% of the time or so.

[quote]You have to give more information about villain to get some good opinions on it... Without any stats it´s hard to say what he is 3betting preflop or if he could be 3 barreling as a bluff...

Stats don't really narrow villains 3bettin strategy against us we need reads on villains 3betting range and post flop tendencies in 3bet pots.
This is a tough spot but as a standard with no reads i really don't think villain is bluffing in this spot. The only question is can he be value jamming worse and to be honest i don't think he is very often. Our range is something like AK,KJs,KQ,KTs,88,9Ts,AJ,ATs,QQ and some KK,AA in other words very strong so i think villain might even have a hard time value jamming KQ,KJ,AA but yeh assign villain a realistic jamming range (this is not a good board to triple barrel bluff BTW) and go from there

not sure how u mean its a fold when he has a pair+fd...


anyhow i think this is a spot where you can herofold. this board hits our range so hard (and we probably dont have AK that ofte for him to jam 2pairs). as said he cant really bet KJ/AA. i figure some 100nl regs will jsut go ahead and jam that though.

why would you ever discount kq pre

Why are we calling pre?

Villain will cbet almost every board (with 80 overcards on it) and we will be folding or guessing/calling.

Don't see how this can be profitable so please tell me if I'm wrong.

Postflop is relatively easy to play if we understand how to play our range and not just our actual and... CO vs BB we should have a very low F23bet this deep.

@op.. You are not raising because you want to keep your range as wide as possible.

Postflop is relatively easy to play if we understand how to play our range and not just our actual and... CO vs BB we should have a very low F23bet this deep.

@op.. You are not raising because you want to keep your range as wide as possible.

Why should we play our range and not our actual hand? Can we play all hands in our 3bet calling range the same? I don't understand this..

Before calling pre, shouldn't we think about the playablility of our hand? With this hand it often ends up with floppi9ng a set or folding the flop because of overcards etc...

Playing your range means understanding what the top bottom and middle of your range is on different board textures.

Playing your range means understanding what the top bottom and middle of your range is on different board textures.

Shoudn't we be flatting with the vast majority of our range in this spot? (flop+turn) To make ourselves harder to play against vs good regs.

For example if we ever raise this flop, the villain should know know that if we call down we never have the top of our range OTR.

Likewise, I might possibly make an assumption, that the villain might assume going by population reads that we never have a set OTR (however I do not play 100nl, nor do I play on this site, just guessing by personally population reads).

There since he could be value betting worse, we should be flatting the river with sets, can probably shove KK and straights. Fold everything else.

I think I would need more evidence about the villain before I wanted to start heroing with 1p hands.

Heroing with one pair hands ? How did you get that from my post ?

Heroing with one pair hands ? How did you get that from my post ?

I was just talking aloud, and asking questions I wasn't actually responding to anything you said. If anything I was hoping that you could correct my thought process.

I was just talking aloud, and asking questions I wasn't actually responding to anything you said. If anything I was hoping that you could correct my thought process.

It looks reasonable.