improva
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I 3b pre as a semibluff expect Villian to call or fold and outplay him OTF if called, a 4b was not in my calculations so when he 4b I called because I have ace blockers and I felt that I could outplay him even OOP because I have decent equity and expected villian to spew postflop, maybe that is to thin reasoning, it is better for the reason Improva mentioned, that Villian is very rarely gonna bluff post flop?
thanks..
Villain will not bluff PREFLOP. Calling the 4bet is something like a 10bb mistake.
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shuttle
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Allermand_DK
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versus a typical utg open range, ATs should play pretty well. it can flop a showdownable hand or semibluffable hand often enough to call a 3bb raise. since our calling range should be strong and our 3b range here is pretty hard to pin down, we shouldn't get 3bet on the flop very often when we c/r, say, J94d. this is how i would seek to outplay him...
when we 3b, we isolate ourselves v the strongest parts of his range. as improva said, we will not get 4b bluffed almost ever. this makes your call particularly bad. your reasoning (no offense) looks like a collection of random statements. "i have decent equity"+"he'll spew postflop" - why? how do you know this? it feels like you just don't want to fold and hadn't thought it through. now, you're posting this hand. that's great and all, but the actual flop spot is a trivial fold. if his range is so bluffheavy you can do something else, you should have known that already.
Ok I see, good explanation thanks.. so you like calling > 3b, but aren't you afriad of being dominated and spew, when let's say the flop comes Ahi? (that why I 3b semibluffed, though I should have folded, when 4b)
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Allermand_DK
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3-betting EP open of 22/18 player who has 15% PFR and folds only like 50% doesn't sound good to me. If he 4b you, it sucks, you should give him a credit and fold. If he calls, he has hands like AJ+, TT-JJ in his range = you are doing far worse than you think.
Flatting should be fine for additional 2 bbs.
As played, why did you call his 4b? Besides three diamonds, two tens or ATx there are almost no good boards for you. You will get either outplayed or "coolered" (and I wouldn't consider this as a cooler, since you should have folded pre).
Generally speaking, doing weird stuff like you're doing here is not the right way to beat these stakes imho. People still make enough mistakes, so don't be like them and be smarter.
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