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eriol

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Villain is tricky, but not so good imo.
I think it's standard until the river, do you think a raise/fold is better on the river? I can't see any worse hand he can call with, but maybe I'm wrong.

Ongame Network $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players - View hand 1757392
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Hero (BTN): $244.09 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 21, 3B: 9, AF: 4.2, Hands: 275234
SB: $99.00 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 17, 3B: 7, AF: 2.9, Hands: 17780
BB: $429.32 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 16, 3B: 10, AF: 3.7, Hands: 1903
CO: $135.83 - VPIP: 37, PFR: 6, 3B: 3, AF: 3.6, Hands: 79

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with 8 Club 9 Club
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, BB raises to $11, Hero calls $9

Flop: ($22.50) 6 Spade K Club 9 Spade (2 players)
BB bets $15.00, Hero calls $15

Turn: ($52.50) 3 Club (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $26.50, BB calls $26.50

River: ($105.50) T Club (2 players)
BB bets $53.00, Hero calls $53

Final Pot: $211.50
Hero shows 8 Club 9 Club
BB shows K Heart T Heart
(Rake: $2.00)

Posted about 1 year ago

Shippopotamus

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I generally don't try to give villains credit for being able to fold big hands at SSNL. I think river is a mandatory raise/fold. People love seeing showdowns and when you have a big hand you should charge as much as you can for the privilege of a showdown. When people can't show their TP+ type hands down they get annoyed. Annoyed players = profit.

Posted about 1 year ago

AstonMartin

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what ? raise/fold ? how u wanna do it ?

its kinda weird/dumb line from him, since u will have a missed spade draw OTR i think u should shove, he cant really have clubs here and since u can have a bluffing range he can blufcatch u

and dont post results next time

Posted about 1 year ago

FatKing85

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I agree that we have the best hand pretty much always bc villain will ifre a flushdraw on the turn. I think im not shoving this deep though, id make a raise to something like 125 and hope he cant fold to these odds.
i think his turn c/c caps his range as well, and i think a shove will just make him fold just about anything.

Posted about 1 year ago

snarble5

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Check turn and 144/fold on the river.

Posted about 1 year ago

urb

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Check turn and 144/fold on the river.


If you check turn pot will be much smaller, so 144 would be quite an overbet if he bets out for around 1/2 to 2/3 pot.
As played I agree with AstonMartin that raise/folding seems ridiculous. Unless you min-raise river you will be getting 7-1 or better odds with a flush on the river where you don't rep much. How do you fold that?

Posted about 1 year ago

snarble5

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I meant as played, I guess calling if he shoves is ok-ish given odds.

Posted about 1 year ago

zachd2323

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If you check turn pot will be much smaller, so 144 would be quite an overbet if he bets out for around 1/2 to 2/3 pot.
As played I agree with AstonMartin that raise/folding seems ridiculous. Unless you min-raise river you will be getting 7-1 or better odds with a flush on the river where you don't rep much. How do you fold that?



Yeah stack sizes make this kind of awkward for a raise/fold. If he's not so good and paranoid, a shove might be the best play here, especially if he thinks you are capable of making some plays.

Posted about 1 year ago

slowlane123

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Check turn



Why would we check turn when a huge portion of his range is not Kx and will x/f alot on the turn but potentially x/c a bet on the river if we check (thinking all mid PPs here)? The other thing to factor is he can't have any set other than KK of which he would almost never check the turn with. So even if he has Kx or AA x/c twice is going to be tough if we're nicely balanced here.

Bet bigger on the turn and bomb the river if you miss. As played easy raise/fold (or jam if stacks sizes aren't deep enough, didn't look). If he can't call with any worse on the river then you ain't bluffin enough in this spot.

Posted about 1 year ago

FaceMyAlterEgo

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The ONLY hands you are ever beaton by are A6cc, 76cc, 65cc and 64cc, but even thse probably barel turn more often then not, let alone that he does not 3bet them often, so you practically have the nuts. Raising seems mandatory, and two things work into our favour, a) we can have a missed draw, but much more importantly b), his range is capped from the turn call, if he knows that he might get paranoid noticing how he can't really have clubs: At this point all he needs is a bluffcatcher, so you might get called quiet a bit.

Plus, if he is not thinking enough to know about capped ranges, he is probably not any good and might call you anyway.

As for raise size, a shove is only an additional 140 into a pot of 211, so only a 70% bet and I think the likelyhood of him calling does not decrease too much, it might even make him more paranoid.

Posted about 1 year ago

terp

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Why would we check turn when a huge portion of his range is not Kx and will x/f alot on the turn but potentially x/c a bet on the river if we check (thinking all mid PPs here)? The other thing to factor is he can't have any set other than KK of which he would almost never check the turn with. So even if he has Kx or AA x/c twice is going to be tough if we're nicely balanced here.

Bet bigger on the turn and bomb the river if you miss. As played easy raise/fold (or jam if stacks sizes aren't deep enough, didn't look). If he can't call with any worse on the river then you ain't bluffin enough in this spot.



betting to bluff river versus JJ QQ doesn't seem like a great range plan? just because he is strong rarely doesn't mean we should commit to spewing a ton of money when seeing a river is quite +ev

Posted about 1 year ago

1bigazzdog

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Easy jam on the river. Our range contains bluffs and villain has SD value stick it in and hope ringer looked up by Kx.

Posted about 1 year ago




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