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B, B, XC

IP you can check the turn.

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fatking, you kind of surrendered here (mentally, not in the combat sense) when you said 'i'll let him bet his floats.' what are his floats? what hands call flop? how many would have called turn? and so on. this kind of spot/thinking would have been perfect for it's complicated if i were to do another vid...

thanks a lot for all the replies. I agree, on the turn I just stopped thinking about his ranges and combos

I think I explained that in the very first session we had I know it is a long time ago. A good understanding of position is what you need in order to realize why betting is better than check/calling

Could you please explain this?

Could you please explain this?

Replay the hand IP and OOP and see how it affects villain's ability to estimate your range.
Compare the scenarios X/C, B, XB

What about Villain's Fold to C-Bet T? Bet IP vs missed T C-Bet? AFq F/T/R and WWSF?
3-bet preflop (especially on the BTN)? What about WTSD and W$SD stats? I'd like to know whether he is a showdown bound player or rather someone who takes them down earlier.

For now we suspect this guy is a float happy player (gap between VPIP/PFR indicates he flats a bit). He has almost all pairs, AQ/AJ and stuff like that.

If you think he bets everything OTT - x/c and probably x/c OTR too (if he is aggro).
Otherwise barrel the turn in order to get value from pairs and prevent draws from getting a free card.

Replay the hand IP and OOP and see how it affects villain's ability to estimate your range.
Compare the scenarios X/C, B, XB

i am a beginner, so pls correct me if i am wrong...


Heros Perceived Range (Hero OOP), Turnplay

if Hero checks it is mostly to give up or to PotControl, if Hero XC it looks like PotControl, so Heros Range is FaceUp, weak madeHands like Kx QQ JJ Tx. this should allow Villain to play the river near perfectly.

if Hero bets it should be no pure bluff, so it could be for Value/Protection or a semibluff, Tx or better and Draws. if Hero then check the river, villain could be inclined to valuebet(thin?) or bluff againt heros perceived range, and Hero can bluffcatch, sometimes loosing to a K, sometimes winning against JJ/Tx and bluffs


Heros perceived Range (Hero IP), Turnplay

if Hero XB it could be for PotControl, Equity Protection or to giveup. It should not be for deception, so heros range is capped at the top. hero can bluffcatch a river lead or valuebet if villain checks (in this hand on this river, if villain c/r the river, hero has to call, right?)

if Hero bet it should be no pure bluff and probably no semibluff, so it could be for value/protection mostly, which again allows villain to play well on turn and river.

What about Villain's Fold to C-Bet T? Bet IP vs missed T C-Bet? AFq F/T/R and WWSF?
3-bet preflop (especially on the BTN)? What about WTSD and W$SD stats? I'd like to know whether he is a showdown bound player or rather someone who takes them down earlier.

Depends too much on board texture and positions.. stop using those numbers. Most hands are played as preflop raiser.. so pretty much meaningless

For now we suspect this guy is a float happy player (gap between VPIP/PFR indicates he flats a bit). He has almost all pairs, AQ/AJ and stuff like that.

No.. we just assume that he plays relatively normal and only calls with hands that can expect to win the hand often enough.

If you think he bets everything OTT - x/c and probably x/c OTR too (if he is aggro).
Otherwise barrel the turn in order to get value from pairs and prevent draws from getting a free card.

X/C turn is only something you can do vs bad players.

It might be semantics - but you cannot get value from a specific part of villain's range.

If his range is X and hands {a,b,c} belong to this range AND hands {a,b,c} are worse than my hand then by betting I can get value (n calls) from a very specific part of villain's range.

X/C turn is only something you can do vs bad players.

Do you assume that a bad player is one who with AIR stabs just once and never twice?

If his range is X and hands {a,b,c} belong to this range AND hands {a,b,c} are worse than my hand then by betting I can get value (n calls) from a very specific part of villain's range.

You still have to look at the whole hand range though.. If his range is hands {a,b,c} and hands {a,b,c} are worse than your hand then you beat his entire range.

You still have to look at the whole hand range though.. If his range is hands {a,b,c} and hands {a,b,c} are worse than your hand then you beat his entire range.

If you beat someone's entire range you probably don't bother to start a strategy thread about it

If you beat someone's entire range you probably don't bother to start a strategy thread about it

lol obviously. I'm just having trouble understanding your post. I glanced at it and it looked like you were saying that his entire range was {a,b,c}.

i feel like ur assumptions ( B/B/XC) rely a lot on villains fold to cbet 25% even on this smallish 300 hands sample. his 3bet btn% his call raise OTB % are stats we maybe shud also care about, and i`m still not sure if we can rely very much on that 300 hand sample.

further i`d be interested in ur plan for non blank rivers, talking about Ao, 9o (allthough we block lots of QJ`s) and club rivers - are u playing B/B/xf then?

If his range is X and hands {a,b,c} belong to this range AND hands {a,b,c} are worse than my hand then by betting I can get value (n calls) from a very specific part of villain's range.

EV estimates deals with the entire range - not parts of it.

i feel like ur assumptions ( B/B/XC) rely a lot on villains fold to cbet 25% even on this smallish 300 hands sample. his 3bet btn% his call raise OTB % are stats we maybe shud also care about, and i`m still not sure if we can rely very much on that 300 hand sample.

further i`d be interested in ur plan for non blank rivers, talking about Ao, 9o (allthough we block lots of QJ`s) and club rivers - are u playing B/B/xf then?

Postflop stats depend too much on board texture and positions to be of much relevance (unless they are extreem).

xf
9o xc
Ao xf (hits villain's range and I look like I have a xc range => fewer bluffs.. I have seen a lot of players xb busted fds with no sdv)