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$100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players -
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SB: $262.45
BB: $106.30
Hero (UTG): $254.72
MP: $100.00
CO: $104.63
BTN: $100.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with Q A
Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, CO calls $4, 3 folds

Flop: ($9.50) 6 7 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $10.00, Hero calls $10

Turn: ($29.50) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $20.00, Hero calls $20

River: ($69.50) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $70.63, Hero ? ? ?

60/11/2.8/31/39/(137) | VPIP/PFR/AF/WTSD/W$SD/(Hands)
Fold to C-Bet F/T/R: 50 / 0 / 50
AFq F/T/R: 50 / 51 / 30
Stab IP F/T/R: 80 / 100 / -
WWSF: 53%

- easily goes on TILT
- chases draws for any price
- bot two pair: x/c, donk OVERbet, donk AI
- cc 3b OOP w/ K4s, donk OVERbet AI w/ FD+1 OC
- stab POT IP w/ AIR, then overbet AI (33J-3)

This guy has lost loads of money at the table, but kept on reloading. In one hand, I opened JJ and he called. Flop was JJ3, so I checked since it's hard to get any action on such dry board + this fish is likely to do some weird shit. And he did. He stabbed for the full PSB on the flop and moved all-in on the turn (it was a 3), I snapped him and he flipped off AQo.

Flop
I have no idea how thin he is able to value bet, but it's pretty rare for fish to v-bet a hand like 2nd pair all the way.

Turn
No overbet this time, though I still beat vast majority of his range (98, flushdraws and other stuff).

River
Backdoor FD got there, T8 and 85 as well. That's quite a bit, but he still has missed diamonds, A-highs and so on and he is on tilt.
On the other hand, the board is quite ugly now.

Call or fold?

As played how can you fold? Board doesn't really change anything. If you ran his whole pre flop range vs AQ I think AQ should still be ahead on the river. The mistake is not having a plan before c/c flop. Decide on the flop what you are going to do and you won't get into this kind of spots. If you want to call down an aggro, I would pick something better then A-hi, cause your hand gets counterfitted easily by atc.

I've made this point in another thread, just because your hand is 'ahead' doesn't mean you should call, especially when all turn cards that don't hit yours suck and you're expecting villain to continue firing. Slightly ahead/drawing dead spots sucks.

Shippo and I must drink different water. I think this is a fold due to the significant change in betting pattern. It's certainly very close, but you have concrete examples of how he likes to bluff and semi bluff and he's deviating and that should indicate something. He also seems like the kind of guy that might fire all three streets with anything and end up bluffing with the best hand (i.e. shoving J9, T9, 98, A6, A4, 22, 33, 55, etc). Did you call and lose to 5c4c?

From my experience, calling down multiple streets with A high vs fish is a losing proposition. Like Fletcher said, you are going to get shown random pairs that he feels like betting with. The thinking, 65 and AQ are pretty much the same hand here might work vs regs, but 65 is significantly better than AQ here vs this guy.

Shippo and I must drink different water. I think this is a fold due to the significant change in betting pattern. It's certainly very close, but you have concrete examples of how he likes to bluff and semi bluff and he's deviating and that should indicate something. He also seems like the kind of guy that might fire all three streets with anything and end up bluffing with the best hand (i.e. shoving J9, T9, 98, A6, A4, 22, 33, 55, etc). Did you call and lose to 5c4c?

I am not saying calling the river is good, I'm merely trying to highlight how bad it is to c/c flop without a plan.

@Shippopotamus
Obviously I did x/c the river as well. Maybe the question should be different:

What would be your best plan with AQ on this board vs this guy?
- x/c OTF and x/f later
- c-bet and x/c
- x/f immediately?

not a super fun spot but i admire the courage

my general rule in these spots, unless i have some good later street reads (such as bet sizing tell or when they give up) is to c/f on any kind of card that further coordinates the board. that is, a jack is way better than, say, a 4 or a 9.

@Shippopotamus
Obviously I did x/c the river as well. Maybe the question should be different:

What would be your best plan with AQ on this board vs this guy?
- x/c OTF and x/f later
- c-bet and x/c
- x/f immediately?

This is something I'm trying to work out myself. In the past I've cb these flops a lot because I have a lot of equity (6 outs) when called. But vs guys who don't fold I really don't know if it is the best plan. You cb because you think villain is going to fold enough for your bet to be +EV in a vacuum but in this case he is probably not folding close to enough for your bet on its own (not taking into account actual hand equity) to be +EV. Vs this particular guy I would probably c/f because I know there's no way of getting to the river cheap. The way you exploit this type of opponent is to flop a hand and either bet hard for value or let them hang himself, not try to bluff them. So I'll follow my gameplan and c/f here. Would be interested to hear what others would do here.

a jack is way better than, say, a 4 or a 9.

I agree. Maybe I should have folded on the turn.

Got shown 5 3 (a straight) ;p

told you the 4 was bad for you :-p