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I mean since we are talking about actual players there is an element of variance in those lines so I think such a player could exist, for example if he is running hot as hell card-wise but his opponent is not and he's betting all the time but his opponent is always at the bottom of his range so folds a lot

I also think that those 80/60 maniacs at 2NL that go donkbet pot pot have a positive redline with a losing blue line

I am sorry but I am ignorant, what is a blue line and a red line, I dont use my holdem manager much, I guess I should.

http://deucescracked.com/videos/1361-Episode-One
not a dick answer btw
I think this video explains those lines and its implications the best

I mean since we are talking about actual players there is an element of variance in those lines so I think such a player could exist, for example if he is running hot as hell card-wise but his opponent is not and he's betting all the time but his opponent is always at the bottom of his range so folds a lot

I also think that those 80/60 maniacs at 2NL that go donkbet pot pot have a positive redline with a losing blue line

Yeah, I agree. I was just illustrating a point.

I am sorry but I am ignorant, what is a blue line and a red line, I dont use my holdem manager much, I guess I should.

Red line = money won without a showdown. ( you bet, villain folds, you win the pot and red line goes up)
Blue line = money won at showdown

Green line (the most important) = blue + red lines

I had positive redline, losing green and blue line for the first 100k hands of my poker career. If thats what you want to achieve it's not that hard to do. Just bet a lot and pay off a lot.

The aggression thing is a bit of a misconception btw. To be a losing, positive redline player you don't need to be aggressive particularly. Imagine the world's biggest station. Literally never folds anything. Even if they don't ever bet they will have a positive redline because sometimes they will get a walk in the bigblind. Any time anyone else bets they call 100%, which all adds into their blue line. Their blue line will be negative of course because their range is so weak. Make sense?

Now if you are a bad player who is trying to do the right thing you will cbet, isoraise, 3-bet (all of which of course add to your redline), but you will also call too much making your blueline go down in spots where a good player will fold, making their redline go down.

I don't know if this helps or answers but I had a FR student a while back who had a hugely positive redline at 25nl.

He was winning over first 125k hands well and losing a bit in last 100k hands so there is an example of both.

He wasn't hyper aggro spew tard or anything. Played like 15/12, 4% 3b and standard aggression.

I don't know if this helps or answers but I had a FR student a while back who had a hugely positive redline at 25nl.

He was winning over first 125k hands well and losing a bit in last 100k hands so there is an example of both.

He wasn't hyper aggro spew tard or anything. Played like 15/12, 4% 3b and standard aggression.

Fascinating. Did you figure out any specific leaks in his game that may have caused this?