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SchFerreira

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SB is a fish, 54/5 over 61 hands cold calling alot of 3bets.

It seems kind of gross to fold this against someone who probably has 50% of ATC into the flop but I just couldn't think of any hands he could be bluffing here, and fish do like taking this weird lines with nutty hands and I think 99, 88, 55, JTs, 98s, 76s and Q9s are all probably in his range and when he gets to the river with worse it's usually with some sort of weak made hand which he rarely, if ever, donk shoves as a bluff.

Poker Stars $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1738171
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CO: $105.97
BTN: $97.00
SB: $147.98
BB: $261.01
UTG: $115.94
Hero (MP): $228.81

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP with K Spade K Heart
UTG raises to $3.50, Hero raises to $10, 2 folds, SB calls $9.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $6.50

Flop: ($31.00) 9 Club 5 Diamond 8 Heart (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $18.00, SB calls $18, UTG folds

Turn: ($67.00) Q Heart (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $36.00, SB calls $36

River: ($139.00) 2 Spade (2 players)
SB bets $83.98

Posted about 1 year ago

Shippopotamus

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Hm... this is pretty gross. From my experience, the c/c, c/c, donk river line is generally the nuts but I have seen random bluffs or random pairs played like this by fish. Do you think villain can play AQ or other Qx hands like this? Have you seen villain spaz and make retarded bets post-flop? If the answer to either of the questions is yes then I think you should make the call.

Posted about 1 year ago

milky159

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yeah this spot really sucks as said before that fish donking the river is really nutted. Has SB been aggressive post flop at all and have you seen any hands go to showdown? If not then its a really annoying fold imo Frown

Posted about 1 year ago

FatKing85

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I think this is really close because there arent many flop draws that bust. I think ingame Im always calling though. we need 37% and I do expect him to have some picked up flushdraws and random pairs.

Posted about 1 year ago

direstraights

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Ugh, feels like JT a lot, the problem is that even a fish knows what your hand range is for doing this so his donk is pretty blatant.

Posted about 1 year ago

Swaytje

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I think this is really close because there arent many flop draws that bust. I think ingame Im always calling though. we need 37% and I do expect him to have some picked up flushdraws and random pairs.



37%? How'd you get that percentage?
We only need to be good 27% of the time.

Pretty tough spot, it kinda depends on what kinda fish he is. Some will just do this with all sorts of crap, and others always have the nuts here. Don't you have a better read on him, or even an idea of how aggressive he is etc?

Posted about 1 year ago

StackHunter

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What's fish's overall aggression? What about River AFq and WWSF? I know the sample size is small, but if he is very passive, then I think you have to fold OTR.
Terp called this line "no more streets to slowplay" - and usually it is true. 76 and JT got there, 98s as well and I don't think he jams bare Qx himself.

Such a hard and brutal fold imo Undecided

Posted about 1 year ago

SchFerreira

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Pretty tough spot, it kinda depends on what kinda fish he is. Some will just do this with all sorts of crap, and others always have the nuts here. Don't you have a better read on him, or even an idea of how aggressive he is etc?



Yeah, after I folded I kinda thought about that, that this was either a snap fold or a marginal call depending on the type of fish.

FWIW, he was definitely not aggressive postflop.

Posted about 1 year ago

milky159

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FWIW, he was definitely not aggressive postflop.



well then its a really solid fold which I think most people would have trouble with whilst in game. Grin

Posted about 1 year ago

Crackmonkey

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Villain is a fish, so he can have any set and probably all combos of JT. I would put 67s in his range as well.

There are a lot of ways you are beat, and not very many, if any, ways that you are ahead.

Posted about 1 year ago




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