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No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1725852
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BTN: $158.43 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 14, 3B: 6, AF: 3.8, Hands: 907
SB: $100.00 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 17, 3B: 7, AF: 4.9, Hands: 2665
Hero (BB): $128.12
UTG: $136.12 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 16, 3B: 5, AF: 3.3, Hands: 310
MP: $133.70 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 15, 3B: 1, AF: 3.0, Hands: 282
CO: $100.00 - VPIP: 32, PFR: 23, 3B: 13, AF: 2.2, Hands: 1868

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 4 K
3 folds, BTN raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero raises to $10, BTN raises to $17, Hero calls $7

Flop: ($34.50) 6 3 K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $17.50, Hero calls $17.50

Turn: ($69.50) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

[b]River: ($69.50) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $34.75, BTN calls $34.75

Hi there,

I think I made a couple of mistakes here and would like to get your opinion:

villain seems to be a somewhat nitty player. My reads so far were:
- fit or fold as caller?
- cbets most flops, turn cbet range mostly value

pre flop: even though his steal % is low I figured I would get a decent amount of folds to my 3 bet or to my flop cbet if he calls.
His min 4 bet irritated me but the odds were good and I thought he would play pretty straight forward post flop so I called.

flop: I considered c/r here to get folds from his hands that missed completely (JJ/QQ/AQ without spades), maybe even KQs. On the other hand I had the read that his turn bets were mostly for value, so I just called to see what he does on the next street.

turn: obviously a great card for me, it removes a lot of hands from his range that had me dominated (only one KQs left + 4 x AK)
Still I checked with the intention of calling any turn cbet and getting it in on the river if the 4th flush card did not hit or I impove to a boat.

river: pretty much a brick, so I bet half pot hoping to get calls from QQ/JJ/TT or some other random bluff catcher.

Are you actually getting 'good odds' though? I think the rule for suited connectors is 20 to 1, you have a suited K and you are barely getting that. Are you going to stack him 100% of the time? What are you hoping to flop? Are you going to stack him on flops that you like? What are you going to do on most flops OOP?

Just stick with your preflop plan, 3b/fold. When you start leveling yourself into calling 4Bs OOP with crappy hands you're going to compound a relatively small preflop mistake by putting yourself in a sticky situation post-flop. Lets say he has AA. Are you really going to stack him if you flop a flush? or trip K?

The downside for calling greatly outweighs the upside. Just fold to the 4b pre.

Personally I hate the 4bet call.
If you 3bet a nit that light you should do it because he folds a ton/ doesn't play back by 4betting too much. Now he actually 4bets you and it screams "Aces" to me. Even if he has some bluffs in his range there is not much we can do about itcause he has the goods so often that we will have to play fit/fold. On top of that even semibluffs like KJ have us crushed.

Pre-flop is "thin," but post-flop I'd reconsider checking the turn because if the opponent did min 4bet bluff and he doesn't ever bet the turn as a semi-bluff here then you're conceeding a check back on a monotone flop, paired turn quite often. I'd be concerned his bet flop, check back turn range here would be heavily weighted towards AsX type hands and wonder if we open shoved the turn whether or not we'd immediately stack any QQ-TT with a spade or maybe even without.

Yeah, I think check/call flop, lead turn has the advantage of preventing the opponent from checking back to redraw to a flush and the advantage of charging the opponent's bluff catchers for full price while making your overall range seem a little more "bluffy" than check/call, check because even the bottom of your range pretty much screams Kx here.

Then again if you're positive betting the turn here is totally polarized for your opponent, I guess check/call, check and shove the river is probably good considering his bluff catching range should be pretty inelastic altho' I have a super hard time figuring out what he bluff catches with that he wouldn't have bet with unless it's litterally QQ-TT and that's it.

Huh, interesting hand.