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Both villains are fishy. The guy that opens from the BB is 26/11 but only raises 5% from the blinds so I think his range is like TT+, AQ+ or something like that. The other villain is a loose-passive 30/4. When I flopped the FH, I wasn't sure what line is best here. I think maybe I made a mistake and should have just ch/r OTF to try to stack CO's Jx or possibly BB's overpairs. I also wasn't sure about the turn when I decided to just check call the flop. What do you guys think about this spot? Thoughts on the flop play and how you would continue on the turn as played would be helpful. Thanks.

Merge Network $1.00/$2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1672848
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CO: $196.22
BTN: $74.38
Hero (SB): $200.00
BB: $157.00
UTG: $595.99

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is SB with 4 4
1 fold, CO calls $2, BTN calls $2, Hero calls $1, BB raises to $10.00, CO calls $8, 1 fold, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($32.00) J 4 J (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $24.00, CO calls $24, Hero calls $24

Turn: ($104.00) 5 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets $32.00, [color=red]Hero?

i think you missed a big value raise on the flop.

I with BB having such a tight preflop raising range I doubt he cbets multiway oop with pure air and no draws what so ever. If CO is passive he could be calling with a PP, FDs, or unpaired broadway hoping to hit something.

That said, I see little they would fold to a raise, much they would call and even some that BB my jam with (e.g. thinking you are raising with a flush draw or jamming with a nut flush draw)


As played, call and allow BB call or raise (as a bluff or perceived value)... then jam river.

Is there any merit to donking out here since they are both fishy?

Is there any merit to donking out here since they are both fishy?

Are you talking about flop or turn?

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flop

Yeah I thought about just leading the flop, but I think ch/r might be better. By ch/r I allow the PFR to cbet and also set up stacks better to get it in against any Jx that the CO might have. On the other hand, if either of the villains are calling 2 or 3 streets with QQ-AA or mid PP's, then leading might be the best option. I'm just not sure if this is the case. Would like to get other opinions on the best line here.

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I think that his bet sizing on the flop combined with the fact that he has a tight raising range I would raise the flop also since your not repping very much and I dont think he will be folding his overpairs and NF draws ever. Also I think that raising to a size that keeps the CO in the hand given his wide range is a good idea. Im not sure what size you like raising the flop to but I think 2.5x is enough. You still accomplish getting money out of BB value hands while at the same time keeping the CO in the hand if he happens to have a weak FD or something.

I think the turn is close as to whether you should flat or raise. Raising has merit because I think the fact that the CO is betting here indicates that he has a pretty strong range (Jx, made flushes). If he flatted the flop with 77 or other PP I dont see him betting here so I think if you raise the turn the CO is calling with pretty much all is betting range here. On the other hand if you call the turn and the BB has AA he is probably just calling and so the pot will be ~190 so the CO will probably jamm most rivers when checked to then you will call and most likely the BB will fold. However I think Im going to prefer raising to insure that you get all the money in. There are some rivers that could prevent the CO from jamming like another club or a 5 if he has a non nut flush. Anyways interesting hand

I thought of donking because its multiway, but its so hard to have anything on this board we dont want to make the air parts of their range fold out and not even get one bet from them. I like the c/r, it just gets value from every part of their range better. If they have a stack off hand, they are stacking regardless, and donking prevents us from getting value from bluffing cbet ranges.

I think if there were slightly fewer players in the pot (so the PFR is more likely to cbet), the players involved were better (because then they'd realize how strong our range is here) or the SPR was alot greater (because we couldn't get our entire stack in by the river as easily) I'd check/raise but vs described villains I'm just donking, betting turn and shipping river.