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Creative Grinders: Episode Three

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Creative Grinders: Episode Three by KRANTZ

KRANTZ and the CG crew are back for more 4-tabling 100NL review.

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KRANTZ partners up with 'Creative Grinders', a poker think tank featuring international players of all skill levels. Jay will assist the group with HH review, video review, and discussions centered on specific poker concepts. Get to know all new players and personalities and follow their progress plugging leaks and achieving their goals! Mainly NLHE 6max.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Micro/Small Stakes
  • 66 minutes long
  • Posted over 1 year ago

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pumpui

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TazUltimate

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I will look into a possible solution and see if I can't clean it up.
-Rusty

Posted over 1 year ago

B-rye88

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Time Link to 00:06:47

Disagree with having to call river.

If our calling range looks something like 9x, 8x, 77, 66, 65s, 75s, then there are plenty of combos of strong hands that protect our range enough that we can fold 77 on the river and still capitalize on the 6 outs + chance that he bluffs turn w/ QJdd or something and gives up on river, especially blank ones.

Posted over 1 year ago

B-rye88

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Time Link to 00:13:00

I think you can bet more on this river in upper left.

You're looking for calls from 2nd/3rd pairs + gutshots/single diamonds as far as i can tell.

In my view his calling range will be somewhat inelastic between $6 and $14 or so; he may fold a T and only call with a K, but if you're getting more than twice the bet from half the range you're still doing better, and with betting $6 he may read it as thin value and not call with a T anyways.

Posted over 1 year ago

ambtndplyr

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is that your standard to not cbet vs a fish on table1/whats ur reasoning to do so?

Posted over 1 year ago

TazUltimate

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I've posted new copies, with better audio, of this video.
-Rusty

Posted over 1 year ago

udownwithvpp

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re: krantz advocating barreling A8 on J9x on good board runouts

How do you adjust to people who know you're barreling them so liberally on boards like this? I feel like in today's games once people know you're barreling them too much on these boards they have an easy time calling down since their range is stronger than hero's here and hero has so much air in his range. After all that plays out we get into the same spot again and A8 becomes a check anyways right or am I missing something?

Posted over 1 year ago

Sounded Simple

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Disagree with having to call river.

If our calling range looks something like 9x, 8x, 77, 66, 65s, 75s, then there are plenty of combos of strong hands that protect our range enough that we can fold 77 on the river and still capitalize on the 6 outs + chance that he bluffs turn w/ QJdd or something and gives up on river, especially blank ones.



I think it's a spot where we are not so much worried about what portion of our range can we call (or need to call) to prevent being exploited, but rather just hand reading that he's unlikely to have Ax (which I dont think barrels this turn without additional equity) and that it seems that he's trying to rep it. Its a close decision though.

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Sounded Simple

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I think you can bet more on this river in upper left.

You're looking for calls from 2nd/3rd pairs + gutshots/single diamonds as far as i can tell.

In my view his calling range will be somewhat inelastic between $6 and $14 or so; he may fold a T and only call with a K, but if you're getting more than twice the bet from half the range you're still doing better, and with betting $6 he may read it as thin value and not call with a T anyways.



I agree, it wasn't a well thought out river betsize. My thinking was fuzzy and I was probably trying to get a call from Tx and small pockets that peeled turn given my flop check.
However there's a good chance all small pp without a diamond just fold the turn and there's not enough pair plus diamonds to make the small river bet work.

Posted over 1 year ago

Sounded Simple

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is that your standard to not cbet vs a fish on table1/whats ur reasoning to do so?



My check is questionable but I'll outline some of how I think about this situation.

1) In position I bet the flop almost always, I can decide if it's 2 or 3 streets worth of value without having to check the river and face a decision.
2) If the flop were say A22 I like checking even in position. It's not pot control, its range manipulation. I want all the suited junk and random connectors in his hand to pick a little something up that I can valuetown him with.
3) If the player is decent I like checking a little more to induce bluffs or light calldowns.
4) This exact situation may not be best for a check because
a) Him picking up third pair may not make him pay off much
b) I want to get value from gutshot broadways and I need to do that on flop & turn.

Posted over 1 year ago

SHAGGYIBC

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My check is questionable but I'll outline some of how I think about this situation.

1) In position I bet the flop almost always, I can decide if it's 2 or 3 streets worth of value without having to check the river and face a decision.
2) If the flop were say A22 I like checking even in position. It's not pot control, its range manipulation. I want all the suited junk and random connectors in his hand to pick a little something up that I can valuetown him with.
3) If the player is decent I like checking a little more to induce bluffs or light calldowns.
4) This exact situation may not be best for a check because
a) Him picking up third pair may not make him pay off much
b) I want to get value from gutshot broadways and I need to do that on flop & turn.



One more consideration is you don't want to get raised off the best hand. If he raises you on this flop it's a pretty tough spot.

I agree with #2 and #3

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B-rye88

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I think it's a spot where we are not so much worried about what portion of our range can we call (or need to call) to prevent being exploited, but rather just hand reading that he's unlikely to have Ax (which I dont think barrels this turn without additional equity) and that it seems that he's trying to rep it. Its a close decision though.




Sorry, I'm not talking about the river decision. I agree that calling this river is good w/ 77.

I was talking about the idea of the turn call and not knowing whether to call turn/fold river or call turn/fold river.

Posted over 1 year ago

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re: krantz advocating barreling A8 on J9x on good board runouts

How do you adjust to people who know you're barreling them so liberally on boards like this? I feel like in today's games once people know you're barreling them too much on these boards they have an easy time calling down since their range is stronger than hero's here and hero has so much air in his range. After all that plays out we get into the same spot again and A8 becomes a check anyways right or am I missing something?



How do you know they know? Are you sure? Important to not be paranoid or afraid of what might happen if you take the aggro line. If you are sure they know and are adjusting then you should tighten your range to the point that it becomes a losing play to call you down so lightly. But if they're giving you no credit and you are put into that same spot again, sure, check back.

Posted about 1 year ago

shades

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99 vs squeeze , watching it i thought the sqz/fold should be fine but i didnt think calling it off would be +EV. I think 4bet/calling 99 vs a sqz at 100nl is to wide of a value range vs most players. Im also surprised at the amount of times you guys talked about 5bet shoving light , i play 100nl and i just dont see it happen much.

Villains stack off range - AK ,JJ+
Our 4bet/fold is +EV when villains sqz is over 8%
To 4bet/call villain would have to sqz more 10% range

Villains stack off range - AK , TT+
Our 4bet/fold is +EV when villains sqz is over 9%
To 4bet/call villain would have to sqz more than 12.5%

Villains stack off range - AQ , AK , TT+
Our 4bet/fold is +EV once villain starts sqzing 13% range
To 4bet/call with 99 villain has to sqz over 12%

I assumed CO would always just be folding to our 4bet.

So i think 4betting as a bluff is going be fine vs this guy , i wouldnt really auto assume most villains are sqz/calling AQ here so vs the tighter ranges he seems like the player that would have enough bluffs to make our 4bet bluff +EV. It can get really tricky to know if we can call a shove without knowing if he has hands like AQ or TT in his range. Personally i think for these games its going to be to thin.

Posted about 1 year ago




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