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ionathan

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Hi

The villain is 15/12/2.4 with 3bet 4% but 10% on btn and 7% vs CO but the late position stats got higher after this hand. I didn't check them at the moment. Is it wrong to get it in preflop? Yeah I know with have AK but vs a nit isn't better to see a flop and play postflop given that the nit will play honestly ?

On the river I think his range is AK, QQ or an inspiration bluff. He wouldn't 3bet AQ and 3barel JJ.
Maybe my thought process is way off. What do you think guys??

Thanks

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1631418
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BTN: $50.00
SB: $41.27
BB: $50.00
UTG: $19.89
MP: $50.75
Hero (CO): $56.67

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with A Club K Spade
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN raises to $5, 2 folds, Hero calls $3.50

Flop: ($10.75) Q Club A Spade 3 Spade (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $6, Hero calls $6

Turn: ($22.75) 4 Diamond (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $13, Hero calls $13

River: ($48.75) J Club (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $26 all in, Hero calls ??

Posted over 1 year ago

shades

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10% 3bet on btn , 7% vs CO , i would 4bet this guy. When you call oop to often you will miss the flop and be forced to c/f.

Posted over 1 year ago

ionathan

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You are right but at the moment he hasn't this stats. I didn't check tbh but this stats is after my hand.

As played ?

Posted over 1 year ago

marco

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river is prob a fold. Is he 3betting then value jamming AT/A9? Is he 3brl'ing JTo or J6ss? If so, is he doing that more often than he shows up with 2 pair here. I'm just folding

Posted over 1 year ago

ionathan

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river is prob a fold. Is he 3betting then value jamming AT/A9? Is he 3brl'ing JTo or J6ss? If so, is he doing that more often than he shows up with 2 pair here.



I think almost never does all this. Maybe the random xx ss. I was confused because his value range is very narrow but from the other hand is obvious that I had an Ax and still he shoves.

What do you think about the folding the turn if we fold the river. On a blank river what would you do (for me the J is a bit of a blank because I don't think he 3bet KT preflop or 2barel JJ etc)?

Sorry for my English.

Posted over 1 year ago

marco

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I'm having a hard time saying why i think AK is a turn call, but AJ is a turn fold. The hands are almost identical in strength, so i'm thinking AK might be a turn fold vs this type of player.

His 7% pf range, might be made up of.

88-AA, KTs+, ATs+, AQo+

His likley 2brls are
AA, QQ, AQs/o, AKs/o, AJs/ATs

Its really hard for him to have any XXss combos here.

So, on the turn we have 35% vs his range and are getting 3:1. Calling is prob ok but thin, and made better by if we have a solid river plan.

Posted over 1 year ago

rrumsey

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I'm having a hard time saying why i think AK is a turn call, but AJ is a turn fold. The hands are almost identical in strength, so i'm thinking AK might be a turn fold vs this type of player.

His 7% pf range, might be made up of.

88-AA, KTs+, ATs+, AQo+

His likley 2brls are
AA, QQ, AQs/o, AKs/o, AJs/ATs

Its really hard for him to have any XXss combos here.

So, on the turn we have 35% vs his range and are getting 3:1. Calling is prob ok but thin, and made better by if we have a solid river plan.


I actually think AJ could be a better hand here to some extent. Him being able to have the KSpade makes for more semibluff combos possible imo then the JSpade reason being he prob never has QJ in his range but can have KQ

Posted over 1 year ago

uselink

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We beat nothing at this point. The only real draw that missed is his NFD. and you say he is a nit.
tough one, but this type of player is honest.

We must plan the riverplay on the turn.. and say to our self, "i will call any blank river aswell"

Because calling turn to fold river is not a good option tbh.

Posted over 1 year ago

ionathan

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then the JSpade reason being he prob never has QJ in his range but can have KQ



I don't understand this a lot. Would you mind explain it a bit more.

We must plan the riverplay on the turn.. and say to our self, "i will call any blank river aswell"



I think that folding any river even a blank river is fine because I don't think he will 3barel worse or bluff ( given that we already think that he doesn't have that many bluffs , esp when the draw missed and our range OTR has at least Ax, and we don't give him credit to value bet that thin ). What do you think about that ?

Also sorry about posting to the wrong forum section, I just notice I post a 50nl hand to small stakes section.

Posted over 1 year ago

ionathan

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Also what about preflop ? GII will be better ? I didn't 4bet because I saw 4% 3bet and 15/12 and I wanted to see a flop thinking that his range is pretty strong.

If his range was that , like marco suggested 88-AA, KTs+, ATs+, AQo+ , we can easily 4bet and GII preflop.

Thanks guys for the answers. You are helping me a lot.

Posted over 1 year ago

"GLUIPERIG"

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I don't understand this a lot. Would you mind explain it a bit more.



basically by you holding the KSpade if means villain does not have NFD in his range. Also, most people are more likely to 3bet with KQs as opposed to QJs IP pre so by holding the JSpade you are making it slightly more likely that villain is barreling with a semi-bluff than holding the actual KSpade. However, my question for rrumsey is wouldn't villain play QJs the same as KQs here post?

Posted over 1 year ago

rrumsey

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basically by you holding the KSpade if means villain does not have NFD in his range. Also, most people are more likely to 3bet with KQs as opposed to QJs IP pre so by holding the JSpade you are making it slightly more likely that villain is barreling with a semi-bluff than holding the actual KSpade. However, my question for rrumsey is wouldn't villain play QJs the same as KQs here post?


got it, and for the last thing, not really but bc villain is tight KQ would be more likely to be in his range then QJ imo. Dont forget, 4% 3 bet over a meaningful sample means he probably doesnt 3 bet qj suited pre

Posted over 1 year ago

"GLUIPERIG"

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I agree...just thinking post. Not that one combo either way makes THAT much of a difference. I still find a fold OTT if I don't 4bet pre. Guess sometimes I'm a nit and sometimes I'm a station...it's a matter of mixed identity. Smile

Posted over 1 year ago

duffte

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calling AK oop is weakening its handstrength too much. only way that AK is able to perform here is as a 4bet bluff or 4bet/call, what is down to his range there.. most likely a call afterwards imo

Posted over 1 year ago

jtate89

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How big is your roll? lol bc I thnk the flat pre is not the greatest. Say villian has JJ and the board comes out like this.. how much are you really going to get out of him considering he is a nit.
4bet get it pre obv IMO. If you are afraid of losing a stack drop stakes and get it in there.

This is probably the weakest way you can play AK

Posted over 1 year ago




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