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NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
Hero ($141)
BB ($31.50)
UTG ($184)
UTG+1 ($225)
CO ($111)
BTN ($107)

Dealt to Hero A J

fold, fold, CO raises to $3, fold, Hero raises to $10, fold, CO calls $7

FLOP ($21) J 8 9

Hero bets $13, CO raises to $31


Villain is reg 25/19, who don't like folding to a 3bet and Cbet both.
His 4bet is 13% (16), which doesn't tell us anything.
In 3b pot he does folded 1 out of 5 times and never raised before in 3b pot.
Also his raise Cbet is 13% in normal pots.

Given the fact, that i have A makes me little bit worried about that he has less semibluffs in his raising range.

If i assume he is raising any set (7 combos), QQ (6 combos), AJ (6 combos), QTs (4 combos), 89s (2 combos), KsTs, KsQs i have about 17% equity, so it's sounds like a clear fold if i don't give him any bluffraise combos which he probably have.

Is there other better options here and which is worst hand that you will stackoff here if this is a clear fold ?

I would discount pretty much all sets and overpairs from his range and add combos of J9s and maybe J8s. This is really close because with a bunch of SC's in his range he also has a ton of 2 pairs. I think I could find a fold here though.

Also, if you're going to add QQ, you have to think KK and AA are in there as well???

Due to all the draws in his range I think you should get this in or fold. I don't mind either option against a reg. I'm leaning towards fold myself.

He doesn't have a lot of draws here + he might not raise them here. I would fold

@chuck651 Why do you discount sets and overpairs from villains range?
How should villain play the hand with a set or overpair?

if he calls a lot to 3bet , given the fact you are a little deep and out of position i would 3bet biugger 13-14
since the flop is very drawy i would CB bigger (as a bluff and for value) something like 14-15 (but its a ltlle difference flop),

without history QQ+ is not often in his calling range in nl100, you can add it it you have history / he 's a very good player of the limit, he can have a lot of semi bluff (but not the nut flush draw) since there are straight dfraws too

it's hard if you have no clue of his calling range
maybe we could give him this calling range (discuss)
JJ-66,AQo-AJo,KQo,AQs-ATs,KQs-KTs,QJs-QTs,JTs,T9s,98s

maybe he raises set str8, fluhs draws, that gives us 77-JJ 89s-QKs QTs KTs ATs, we have 46% equity against this raise / shove range,so given the dead money it seems a crying 3bet/call shove (not directly shove to let him continue semi bluff)

what to you thjink?

to answer to your question in game i would fold but given my "study" i should call and it s probably the worse hand i should call :=)

@chuck651 Why do you discount sets and overpairs from villains range?
How should villain play the hand with a set or overpair?

Because OP said that villan was 4-betting at least a normal amount, and it's sb. vs. co.

4 bet 88 99 is not standard in my games

4 bet 88 99 is not standard in my games

I would assume QQ-AA is though.

as i said in previous spot without history it's not standat to trap and check QQ+ vs 3bet, at least in my games
with history, vs a good reg he can have QQ+ 88 99

I don't expect him to raise str8 draws, and since he has few flushdraws which he may raise i think it's a clear fold to his raise, because rest of his raising range is sets/2pair and i am flipping against his semibluff range.

I am not agree with the 3bet size because i 3bet him with wide range and i won't play huge pots with wide range, so i dont't mind that we are deeper.

is an easy bet fold, that board hits his 3 bet calling range pretty hard and he knows u know that so ur c bet looks v strong, without more reads is a standard fold, if u get it in ur either flipping or crushed, his semi bluffs most likely have good equity against u even if he can't have the NFD, if the board wasn't as coordinated and ur hand wasnt quite as vulnerable if u are ahead, e.g. Js9s7h then his bluff raising range could be wider here i think calling and jamming over decent turns can be a good play against certain opens, (like ones who are likely to keep firing) but folding here is def not exploitable cause your going to have a lot stronger hands other times and if he's a standard reg he's not gonna try make u fold AA KK on the flop unless he's missing a chromosome,

and i think the weakest made hand he's raising here is probably KK and thats even a push for the same reasons if he gets it in is likely in trouble or flipping, don't know about villain but would never raise QQ here, when u hav AA, especially with the Ace of spades it becomes trickier, wud still lean towards fold without reads tho, but for stacking off i think AJ is basically the same as KK here and the worst made hand id stack off here with is prob 89.

ruaok what do you think is wrong in my ranges/math which gives a raise expecting him to shove (wihtout these calcs i would have fold turn but seems its an error

I think is is a spot where we can sometimes be guilty of letting the aggression in today's games get in the way of fundamentals. Getting 100bb in with AJ on J98ss is seldom a good idea, even in a 3-bet pot and even if villain maybe left himself room to fold.