Grindcore
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What other people do doesn't matter. Donking there is good for protection. It's very unlikely someone will bet without having you beat or good equity vs your hand, so when your hand is best you give 4 people a freecard on a wet board, which is horrible.
Also if people really put you on sets/2pair when you donk, then why don't you donk 100% of the time?
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It's kind of a leveling thing. Some find a $50 raise look stronger and the jam more like a draw, some fold more to a jam and call the 50 because it's smaller... I thought a jam would look most like a draw there. Also, I'm 55+ VPIP on that table so I don't think they'll fold top pair to me.
allthough u take away the possibilty for one of the 2 villains to jamm a draw if we mae like a 35-45ish raise or something, if we jamm they might just fold their like X high flushdraw or w/e
ppl are bad, even though we like never bluff when we raise there and it is potcommiting its a psychological thing, ppl like putting the last bet into the pot even when it makes 0 difference. atleast bad 100nl players imo!
and as u said since u have such loose image they will prolly stack off w TPTK ++ anyways so?
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Grindcore
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what do u think about a double barrel here w/ 33, since so much of his calling range is a medium PP?
The VPIP/PFR gap suggests he's call happy from the blinds so he has more Ax than PPs imo. And he also might not fold a PP on the turn anyway. And my image is bad.
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Also if people really put you on sets/2pair when you donk, then why don't you donk 100% of the time?
It's funny that you mention this, because I thought about this myself the other day. I wouldn't go so far as donking 100% when OOP multiway but I do it a lot more now.
Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players -
BTN: $108.40
SB: $61.35
Hero (BB): $100.00
UTG: $63.55
MP: $62.00
CO: $100.00
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with Q
J 
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, CO raises to $4, BTN calls $4, SB calls $3.50, Hero calls $3, UTG calls $3
Flop: ($20.00) 9
8
4
(5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $14, UTG folds, CO folds, BTN folds, SB folds
Final Pot: $20.00
Hero mucks Q
J 
Hero wins $19.00
(Rake: $1.00)
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Grindcore
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J2o - would c/f be too weak in this spot?
I typically like to c/c marginal made hands on (ultra)draw-heavy flops and thought J2 here was worse than marginal. And we don't know much about villain's postflop tendencies yet.
Why would you c/f with a pair in BvB? If you're gonna c/f you should just cbet. I check to let him bluff because when I check I look like air that's giving up. And as you see it worked.
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Can't we make a small raise on the flop to extract value from a T? I agree with your assessment that he probably has a T when he check min-raises, but I find a fish is often doing that to "see where they're at" as opposed to doing it for value. He raises with the intention of folding if he gets played back at, but if you make the raise small enough (say to like $35 or $40) he won't be able to fold.
Then the pot on the turn is like $90, assuming the turn card doesn't kill your action/create a bunch of draws, you can just extract value by betting small like $40 and then he'll talk himself into calling the river given the great odds he's getting. I normally don't take this line, but on a board with basically 0 draws and you essentially have the nuts...I like making very small bets/raises to price in the fish for 3 streets.
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Grindcore
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Can't we make a small raise on the flop to extract value from a T? I agree with your assessment that he probably has a T when he check min-raises, but I find a fish is often doing that to "see where they're at" as opposed to doing it for value. He raises with the intention of folding if he gets played back at, but if you make the raise small enough (say to like $35 or $40) he won't be able to fold.
Then the pot on the turn is like $90, assuming the turn card doesn't kill your action/create a bunch of draws, you can just extract value by betting small like $40 and then he'll talk himself into calling the river given the great odds he's getting. I normally don't take this line, but on a board with basically 0 draws and you essentially have the nuts...I like making very small bets/raises to price in the fish for 3 streets.
He's never c/mr folding for value so I might aswell jam to prevent action killers. If he can be bluffing or doing it with a 2nd pair type hand, CiB or calling becomes better. Completely readless I'm assuming it's mostly Tx so I take the highest EV line vs Tx, which is jamming.
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