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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by Grindcore (Micro/Small Stakes)

w00000000t! looking forward to thisssss

Time Link to 00:01:32

A while ago we had a very intersting discussion in SSNL about a similar hand. Want to take a look at it?

http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/34-Small-Stakes-Shorthanded-NL/topics/31438-So-I-overrep-my-hand-to-g

Time Link to 00:04:51

Is that some kind of script that you use to automatically put in the date and limit in the note or do you just put it in your clipboard before your session?

EDIT: nevermind, you explain that later

Time Link to 00:30:43

I would also note here that he played passively when he was IP and aggressively OOP. All in all I think the 2 hands we saw him play don't give us that much information, because his play in both hands is fairly common for most people, and as you said earlier, things are noteworthy when you see something that you didn't expect.

Time Link to 00:47:06

You say that people are uncomfortable playing back at players whose HUD stats haven't loaded yet, because they rely too much on them.

Well I see that you are a player that, aswell as myself, takes his notes inside the HUD panel and not in the client's note function. In that case it really is a problem when the panel hasn't loaded yet, unless you remeber the player, that is of course.

Time Link to 00:56:53

He did raise the flop before when you had a gutter to the nuts. Flop was also Q-hi and you said the same thing (would 3bet pre a Q strong enough to raise flop). In the first hand I would very often call myself. I have at least some equity and he can't have that muich for value. We can stab the river, check/jam the turn or do whatever on later streets.

This hand is different. Your reasoning for folding the first hand was also that you didn't have a BDFD (you said: If I had 98 of diamonds I would call). Here you have absolutely nada. Yopu can't even turn 2nd pair as you would have been able to in the first hand.

OK, in the first hand the guy was more unknown than he is now, but that makes this even more a fold on the flop imo. You assumed earlier that he probably had just had a good run of cards and in my experience at SSNL people just won't take the same line twice as a bluff vs you during one session often enough to play back at them light.

Time Link to 00:57:50

I know any raise is pot committing but you really think shoving is our best option here?

Time Link to 00:27:35

I really think just calling on the flop is wrong here, cause if he has a flush draw or something like KJ with K of hearts or QT etc he will call a raise or shoves to it, dont you think? Remember these are fish ;-)

Very interested in your opinion here - thx!

He did raise the flop before when you had a gutter to the nuts. Flop was also Q-hi and you said the same thing (would 3bet pre a Q strong enough to raise flop). In the first hand I would very often call myself. I have at least some equity and he can't have that muich for value. We can stab the river, check/jam the turn or do whatever on later streets.

This hand is different. Your reasoning for folding the first hand was also that you didn't have a BDFD (you said: If I had 98 of diamonds I would call). Here you have absolutely nada. Yopu can't even turn 2nd pair as you would have been able to in the first hand.

OK, in the first hand the guy was more unknown than he is now, but that makes this even more a fold on the flop imo. You assumed earlier that he probably had just had a good run of cards and in my experience at SSNL people just won't take the same line twice as a bluff vs you during one session often enough to play back at them light.

Yes that was a fold. It's BvB though, the first hand was CO v BU and 3way. He's way more likely to be bluffing here. I think everytime he checks turn he folds river, so the potodds I'm getting on the flop float are essentially how much he has to check on the turn for it to be OK. The play is not as bad as it looks and something you definatly wanna have in your arsenal. But I should have folded.

You say that people are uncomfortable playing back at players whose HUD stats haven't loaded yet, because they rely too much on them.

Well I see that you are a player that, aswell as myself, takes his notes inside the HUD panel and not in the client's note function. In that case it really is a problem when the panel hasn't loaded yet, unless you remeber the player, that is of course.

Even if they have a note "valuebets thin" or whatever, they still don't know your 3betting frequencies from the blinds etc. But they will 1 hand later when the full HUD with all the stats loads.

Regardless, it's impossible to have more info about a player before his HUD loads, than after. Since people rely too much on their HUDs you have more FE on your 1st hand at the table with your bluffs.

A while ago we had a very intersting discussion in SSNL about a similar hand. Want to take a look at it?

http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/34-Small-Stakes-Shorthanded-NL/topics/31438-So-I-overrep-my-hand-to-g

Even if you don't get called by worse it's still a +EV bet. In multiway pots protecting your hand becomes alot more important as you're quite often flipping or even an underdog vs 3 players with only highcards. You're not overrepping your hand by betting at all.

I really think just calling on the flop is wrong here, cause if he has a flush draw or something like KJ with K of hearts or QT etc he will call a raise or shoves to it, dont you think? Remember these are fish ;-)

Very interested in your opinion here - thx!

I can still stack those on the turn. Also I'm a big favorite against them, and there's a good chance he's bluffing aswell. I think by raising flop I get alot of folds, and by calling I get alot of turnbets, netting a higher gain.

I know any raise is pot committing but you really think shoving is our best option here?

It's kind of a leveling thing. Some find a $50 raise look stronger and the jam more like a draw, some fold more to a jam and call the 50 because it's smaller... I thought a jam would look most like a draw there. Also, I'm 55+ VPIP on that table so I don't think they'll fold top pair to me.

You're not overrepping your hand by betting at all.

Well, I don't know about the stakes you play but at 100NL peoples' multiway donking ranges are pretty strong and probably very rarely if ever TPNK. In that sense I do overrep my hand. Also assuming that even if people expect TPNK to be in my range, it's always gonna be the bottom of my range and in no way part of my stackoff range (sets/big draws)