Time Link to 00:18:21
When he checks back this turn it's obvious that he doesn't have a king and prolly a jack. What do you think about overbetting river?
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Time Link to 00:18:21
When he checks back this turn it's obvious that he doesn't have a king and prolly a jack. What do you think about overbetting river?
When he checks back this turn it's obvious that he doesn't have a king and prolly a jack. What do you think about overbetting river?
i think i prefer a more normal sized bet than an overbet if we are going to bluff. An overbet implies we are going to get him off Jx, which I dont really think will work often enough to work when we check the turn and he checks it behind. A more normal, value sized, bet i think is better because it gives us a better price to get him off QT/AT/getting bluffed by 9T when they do check the turn (although we can vastly reduce his combos of 9T/QT/AT when he doesnt bet turn), but we do also get a better price to get him off hands like 99, and it's a pretty credible line that a lot of bad regs will take with hands similar to QJ and QQ, checking the turn and value betting the river, whereas there are very few hands that we will check the turn and then overbet the river, so he should (in theory) be more inclined to view us as polarized and call an overbet. If he does call a more normal sized bet on the river with a hand like 99 then its likely he's leaking money vs most people's perceived range anyway.
Time Link to 00:20:34
Here you say your standard is to check back these types of hands. I used to do it also but in recent months I have changed it to cbetting because:
1. Usually villains calling range is weak on the flop and many turn+river combos create great 3barreling spots.
2. I find playing the checkback flop game really difficult to play. If villain starts to bet turns and rivers I feel like I am not making money out of those spots and I am always calling of folding too much.
I checked my HEM database and found out when I check back Ahi+straight draw I lose 0,52bb/hand and when I cbet those I win 2,7bb/hand so I guess this works for me best. Thoughts on this?
Here you say your standard is to check back these types of hands. I used to do it also but in recent months I have changed it to cbetting because:
1. Usually villains calling range is weak on the flop and many turn+river combos create great 3barreling spots.
2. I find playing the checkback flop game really difficult to play. If villain starts to bet turns and rivers I feel like I am not making money out of those spots and I am always calling of folding too much.
I checked my HEM database and found out when I check back Ahi+straight draw I lose 0,52bb/hand and when I cbet those I win 2,7bb/hand so I guess this works for me best. Thoughts on this?
Yes totally fine to take this approach. The key is how well you are playing the turn and river in both scenarios. I've had students who were leaking tons of money by checking behind A high hands, calling turn and folding river. Then I had others who would check behind and call turn/river no matter what. It was difficult for them to grasp the right board textures. While working on it, I advised them to just cbet those hands instead to make it easier to play. I think this approach is just fine vs bad regs/fish. The problem comes in when you play vs someone good, you end up over extending your cbet range and getting in spots where they are c/r'ing you off off weak showdown value too much on the flop, or you have to bet/call A high and make tough decisions on the turn and river. I think bet/calling A high is fine (something I do in some board textures where I like cbetting A high) but if we're talking about a player who has trouble checking behind A high and bluff catching, then cbet/calling and bluff catching A high is going to be even worse.
In short, if you find it is working for you and easier to play vs the opponents you play with, you certainly have my blessing to cbet there. Just be aware that as you move up and play tougher competition, you might have to reevaluate this strategy to avoid getting owned.
Time Link to 00:34:58
What are doing on a blank river here?
I folded turn as I expected him to fire river quite frequenly when my range is weak.
Are you flatting turn with KT to have a stronger river range or do you check-raise?
What are doing on a blank river here?
I folded turn as I expected him to fire river quite frequenly when my range is weak.
Are you flatting turn with KT to have a stronger river range or do you check-raise?
My general approach is to play more nutted hands faster and just make tougher decisions with weaker hands. Many don't play that way and would rather just slowplay more. I think either is reasonable but the my way is better if you have a good feel for what our opponents are capable of. The thing is on this turn he should be firing almost his whole range, and many of these 6m regs are so bad that they wont continue to value bet a lot of Tx or JJ/QQ on some rivers, so I'd be inclined to call turn and call a lot of rivers, especially the ones that I think they will give up on with AT, JJ/QQ/Kx and similar.
Time Link to 00:37:29
I don't understand how folding at this point is weak; He had no part of that flushed flop!
I don't understand how folding at this point is weak; He had no part of that flushed flop!
no pair, no draw, no problem! ![]()
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