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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by blah234 (Micro/Small Stakes)

It makes no sense for me to lead for value on that river since I rep no bluffs. My value range is extremely wide on that river so even if I can turn some made hands into a bluff thinly value bet and call will be -EV. Good hand reader should realize both player's ranges and not make that call.

I agree with this somewhat. Its certainly player dependent, not saying that his call was +EV or -EV, but I can understand why he called. Ever since the training sites make c/r river turning made hand into bluff vs weak range popular, ppl tend to call this river c/r with the top of their value range, and he certainly have the top of his value range ere. Just explaining his possible thought process which i dont think its bad, ive made plenty of calls ere and was more often right than wrong because ppl dont c/r thin for value but usually c/r with a polarize range.

On that note, what range are you c/r for value here?

I agree with this somewhat. Its certainly player dependent, not saying that his call was +EV or -EV, but I can understand why he called. Ever since the training sites make c/r river turning made hand into bluff vs weak range popular, ppl tend to call this river c/r with the top of their value range, and he certainly have the top of his value range ere. Just explaining his possible thought process which i dont think its bad, ive made plenty of calls ere and was more often right than wrong because ppl dont c/r thin for value but usually c/r with a polarize range.

On that note, what range are you c/r for value here?

So you agree that the villain was not a good hand reader and just clicking buttons without understanding why. That makes him not a good hand reader. His logic for calling is because training sites show in videos that people can turn made hand into bluffs instead of looking at the ranges of both players. I've said in the video it's FPS trying to rep hands vs him and took a note so c/r bluff vs him is -EV because of what you posted.

My value range on that river is extremely wide since villain cannot rep a flush. I would be very happy to c/r anything that beats a Q

My value range on that river is extremely wide since villain cannot rep a flush. I would be very happy to c/r anything that beats a Q

If he is suppose to fold the top of his range here which is 9x to JJ (besides random flushes or 99 which we know he almost never have), then why do we c/r for value if he cant call? Say he have 9x to JJ 99% of the time and is folding to a c/r from you and only 1% of the time he have 99, that still makes it a bad c/r because he just cant call.

So if we do c/r a flush on this river, it is because we think there is a possibility that he will level himself to call with the "top of his range". Which is indeed what he did here.

If he is suppose to fold the top of his range here which is 9x to JJ (besides random flushes or 99 which we know he almost never have), then why do we c/r for value if he cant call? Say he have 9x to JJ 99% of the time and is folding to a c/r from you and only 1% of the time he have 99, that still makes it a bad c/r because he just cant call.

So if we do c/r a flush on this river, it is because we think there is a possibility that he will level himself to call with the "top of his range". Which is indeed what he did here.

This makes no sense. If we have the nuts and villain has a weak range we should not raise because he can't call with much of his range? c/r is much better than leading river because villain will value bet anything that can call your lead since we rep no bluffs and he can also bluff. Just because most of someone's range can't call a raise doesn't mean we shouldn't raise for value.

This makes no sense. If we have the nuts and villain has a weak range we should not raise because he can't call with much of his range? c/r is much better than leading river because villain will value bet anything that can call your lead since we rep no bluffs and he can also bluff. Just because most of someone's range can't call a raise doesn't mean we shouldn't raise for value.

You misunderstand me. I think a c/r with a flush is a very good play, because i get value from random air that decided to bluff the river randomly (which obviously cant call if we lead) and i think its reasonable if he bet/call with a hand like JJ.

I pull some assumptions of your range vs his hand together and come out with some maths. Dont know how accurate my assumptions are but i think its reasonable? lol

Say we float any pair and random Ax hands like AT (which u had) and flush draws.

When we c/r the river we rep two things, a big hand, full houses and flushes or a hand that turns into a bluff which usually are hands that cant beat a 9.

All pairs below a 9: 33,55,66,77,88 = 30 combos
lets say we have 12 random Ax hands (which i think we have more) . Thats 42 combos of possible bluff.

Say we have all the nut flush (besides AK) = 8 combos
lets add 4 more random Kx flush we can have.
Full houses/quarts = 22,44,99 =5 combos
we only have 17 combos of value hands

Say we only bluff 50% of the time which is 21 combos. Thats more bluff combos than value. Given the small bet, I do see why he called the c/r.

P.S if we have the nut flush and only a fullhouse is calling a raise, it does make sense not to raise.

When we c/r the river we rep two things, a big hand, full houses and flushes or a hand that turns into a bluff which usually are hands that cant beat a 9.

no because he can't rep the flush so we can c/r for value much lighter. However, perceived range is villain dependent. What you rep looks different to different players but since villian can't rep a flush if my percieved range still looks polarized to him then he's making a mistake vs my range. Hence the note to further adjust my actual range.

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That's what she said!

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AQ on #4: You say it's a standard cbet but then you're really surprised to see him fold. What do you have planned for turn and river?

AQ on #4: You say it's a standard cbet but then you're really surprised to see him fold. What do you have planned for turn and river?

keep betting because I expect to have good equity vs the bottom of his bluff catching range.

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Can you please explain why you would double barrel the nuts flush draw with Qs on table 4 there? I understand that you have better equity there then with the non nuts flush draw but any A or K would still call.

Can you please explain why you would double barrel the nuts flush draw with Qs on table 4 there? I understand that you have better equity there then with the non nuts flush draw but any A or K would still call.

just how equity vs range works. when we have the NFD we have much better equity vs villain's calling range even if he folds less.

just how equity vs range works. when we have the NFD we have much better equity vs villain's calling range even if he folds less.

Ty for the fast response. You mean because if WE have the nuts flush draw, he obv cant have it which means that his flush draws are only non nuts ones that he would probably fold?

Ty for the fast response. You mean because if WE have the nuts flush draw, he obv cant have it which means that his flush draws are only non nuts ones that he would probably fold?

No i mean even if he calls with them then we have better equity vs his calling range when we bet.

no because he can't rep the flush so we can c/r for value much lighter. However, perceived range is villain dependent. What you rep looks different to different players but since villian can't rep a flush if my percieved range still looks polarized to him then he's making a mistake vs my range. Hence the note to further adjust my actual range.

Yea as I see it, the value comes from the times Villian is value betting very thin as with the J9 hand above, then you never bluff and c/r (thinly) for value with a pair of Q or better which is a strong hand vs. Villian range OTR, right? relavtive handstrengh vs. relative handstrengh.

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I dont think that Klamsauce thought process is "i have pair, i call". He clearly is a regular and no NL100 Regular today has such a simple and fishy thought process. First he went for a Thin Valuebet because our Range could be any PP and A high but after we check/raised he realised that his range looks weak and therefore made the herocall. So i would take the note "Herocalls light when his perceived Range is weak".