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Apex Predator: Episode Six

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Apex Predator: Episode Six by blah234

Blah234 continues to review his 4-tabling session from last episode.

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  • 72 minutes long
  • Posted almost 2 years ago

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AstonMartin

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Yep thats when iso Axs and pairs then reshipping on those guys is pretty sexy... Since they prolly need AQ plus to call and we block a few combos huh?... maybe spewy but im sure it cant be that bad!



It's terrible, do the math.



assuming we have ~30% when called we need villain to fold >64% of the time

assuming villain calls with 77+,AJs+,AQo+ out of 15% range, we are short of 6% fold precentage

since we rarely see a player who will reraise us with this wide of a range it becomes even more bad

edit:

actually with us having the A blocker, it doesnt seem terrible

AA-77,AKo-ATo,KQo-KTo,QJo-QTo,JTo,AKs-ATs,KQs-KTs,QJs-QTs,JTs
189 combos pre

AA-77,AKo-AQo,AKs-ATs
75 combos he calls with

which means he folds 60% still short of about 4%

Posted over 1 year ago

blah234

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assuming we have ~30% when called we need villain to fold >64% of the time

assuming villain calls with 77+,AJs+,AQo+ out of 15% range, we are short of 6% fold precentage

since we rarely see a player who will reraise us with this wide of a range it becomes even more bad

edit:

actually with us having the A blocker, it doesnt seem terrible

AA-77,AKo-ATo,KQo-KTo,QJo-QTo,JTo,AKs-ATs,KQs-KTs,QJs-QTs,JTs
189 combos pre

AA-77,AKo-AQo,AKs-ATs
75 combos he calls with

which means he folds 60% still short of about 4%



It makes very little for someone to call a shove with suited hand but fold off suit like call AJs but fold AJo. Suited hands has 2% equity in all in situations vs off suit hands and there are 16 combos of off suit vs 4 combos of suited. AJo also has more equity than ATs so makes no sense to fold 16 combos of AJo but call 4 combos of ATs.

Posted over 1 year ago

AstonMartin

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AJo also has more equity than ATs so makes no sense to fold 16 combos of AJo but call 4 combos of ATs.



that was actually a mistake by me Poke Tongue

but nonetheless i wanted to see how bad it looks (with AJo he folds 55% of the time)

btw does it make sense to put half of AJ combos to rep a uncertainty about what he does with it ? i mean that im not 100% certiain that he will call with those, and im not 100% certain he will fold


oh and good series, i hope there will be more of u playing live or HH review in near future (mainly interpteting showdowns and non SD lines of villain)

Posted over 1 year ago

blah234

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btw does it make sense to put half of AJ combos to rep a uncertainty about what he does with it ? i mean that im not 100% certiain that he will call with those, and im not 100% certain he will fold



Yes, you can do that to estimate equity vs villain's range. Also there is a none 0 chance that the villain for whatever reason is out of his comfort zone and doing something that doesn't make sense.

Posted over 1 year ago

apv2009

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I believe your strategie is off against "eithehutt5", or he is running like god, or is pretty clear he is making plays on you.

Posted over 1 year ago

AAIcarusAA

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Time Link to 00:52:02

Would there be any river cards you wouldn t jam?

Posted over 1 year ago

blah234

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Would there be any river cards you wouldn t jam?



I'd jam every river unless the top card pairs and doesn't bring a flush.

Posted over 1 year ago

AAIcarusAA

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Time Link to 00:55:27

Blah u say that its a standart cbet on that flop (3bet 3way) but you didnt bet it. Why?

Posted over 1 year ago

blah234

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Blah u say that its a standart cbet on that flop (3bet 3way) but you didnt bet it. Why?



I didn't becaues the one guy has almost no money left so no one will try to bluff at the pot.

Posted over 1 year ago

AAIcarusAA

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Time Link to 01:08:42

Definitely live videos. U can see the table dynamics and better understand the though process and the concrete application of the reads you developed.
New series soon?
Love to see more on NL100/200

Posted over 1 year ago

AAIcarusAA

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Time Link to 01:10:59

Well on that shove and since this video is about developing and applying reads you pick , earlier on the video ( 0:39 ) you played a hand vs him where he dbarrels on paired board (K22Q) and you call 2 times with top pair, can you assume any generic lines ( that we know to be wrong but 99% of the players are auto-piloting at some point) about his behavior? Dbarrels air/weak made hand and slow plays monsters?
I mean, it doesnt make much sense his line.
Also, when you bet the river and since u assume that hes not bluffing, do you expect him to call you JJ, QQ, KK? or since you have so much showdown value and you didnt bet the turn when cheked too, can he miss assume that you are weak and try to bluff you out of your hand? When he raises your river bet is his range only AA and AK? I mean, thats a pretty dumb way to play them.

Posted over 1 year ago

blah234

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Well on that shove and since this video is about developing and applying reads you pick , earlier on the video ( 0:39 ) you played a hand vs him where he dbarrels on paired board (K22Q) and you call 2 times with top pair, can you assume any generic lines ( that we know to be wrong but 99% of the players are auto-piloting at some point) about his behavior? Dbarrels air/weak made hand and slow plays monsters?
I mean, it doesnt make much sense his line.
Also, when you bet the river and since u assume that hes not bluffing, do you expect him to call you JJ, QQ, KK? or since you have so much showdown value and you didnt bet the turn when cheked too, can he miss assume that you are weak and try to bluff you out of your hand? When he raises your river bet is his range only AA and AK? I mean, thats a pretty dumb way to play them.



It doesn't matter if it's dumb or doesn't make sense to you. Applying our own logic to the villain is a leak since they don't think the same way as us. Developing reads is to figure out how the specific villain thinks and plays.

Posted over 1 year ago

rohan68

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New series soon?
Love to see more on NL100/200



definitely +1 (the same for grindcore) or 200/400

Posted over 1 year ago

blah234

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definitely +1 (the same for grindcore) or 200/400



Wow I feel the love guys, my current series with FWF is not over and you guys are looking for new series already. Best thing for anyone who wants to see more videos from me is just to put in request through DC or post in the research and development forums. They're the ones that gets to decide on content.

Posted over 1 year ago

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blah234

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Allermand_DK

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Time Link to 00:43:48

What are yours criterias for stacking off vs. bad shortstackers with 20,30, 40 and 50bb OTF, equitywise as a rule of thumb?

thx.. Wink

Posted over 1 year ago

blah234

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What are yours criterias for stacking off vs. bad shortstackers with 20,30, 40 and 50bb OTF, equitywise as a rule of thumb?

thx.. Wink



no rule of thumb. Do EV calculations is the only way to beat SS. Don't be lazy Smile

Posted over 1 year ago

Allermand_DK

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no rule of thumb. Do EV calculations is the only way to beat SS. Don't be lazy Smile


+1 ;-)

Posted over 1 year ago

drken

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@ 39.40 into the Episode

We have second pair on the river and the guy pots it. You say that when hes potting you only bluff catch with the top of your range.
Why is it relevant if we are on top off our range?
Isnt he reppin nuts or air, so our hand is less relevant. What matters is if we think he is bluffing or not?

Posted over 1 year ago

blah234

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@ 39.40 into the Episode

We have second pair on the river and the guy pots it. You say that when hes potting you only bluff catch with the top of your range.
Why is it relevant if we are on top off our range?
Isnt he reppin nuts or air, so our hand is less relevant. What matters is if we think he is bluffing or not?



How do we know how often villain is bluffing compared to value betting even if he's polarized? Just because villain reps polarized range to you doesn't mean his actual range is polarized. When we have no idea about villain's bluffing tendencies, we bluff catch with the top of our range to prevent ourselves from spewing too much and from being exploited by the villain.

Doing anything else is an exploitive play when we know more about villain's tendencies.

Posted over 1 year ago

drken

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So by calling with the top of our range becomes more of a question about frequency, so that we dont call too often in that spot?

Posted over 1 year ago

blah234

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So by calling with the top of our range becomes more of a question about frequency, so that we dont call too often in that spot?



This and prevents us from being value towned if villain's range happens to be not polarized.

Posted over 1 year ago

donkrx

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Time Link to 00:39:22

So based on your comment here (listen immediately after the timestamp), what rivers would you bet a third barrel on? Or did I misunderstand what you were implying?

About the river check fold I feel like that's usually what I'd do in the moment, but after looking at the math I think a call may be +EV or super close even with a realistic range assignment - for example I was including things like A2-A5cc, QT, QQ+, sets 44,55,TT, 87hh (basically all value combos) and of course bluffs comprised mostly of Axhh and one or two suited connectors that missed like J9hh or 89hh. He is 22/11/4 or so it seems so I'm not sure what types of hands he's raising, but he seems to be pretty OK with flatting/limping, presumably with marginals. The exact range I used copied and pasted from PStove (sorry its a bit disorganized, but that's how PStove is outputting it):

AdAh,AdAs,AhAs,KdKh,KdKs,KhKs,QdQs,QhQs,TdTs,55-44,
AcJc,AhJh,Ac9c,Ah9h,Ac8c,Ah8h,Ah7h,Ah6h,Ac5c,Ac4c,Ac3c,Ah3h,Ac2c,Ah2h,
KhJh,Jh9h,9h8h,8h7h,QTo,QdTd,QsTs

Equity: 27% (need 33% - yes I realize this is -EV as it stands, but read on)

First a note: This range isn't supposed to be "everything" - the idea behind this range is to give him about the minimum number of bluffs he can have while including almost every value hand.

Now... If/when you start discounting some of his bigger value hands like sets or 2 pair it quickly gets a lot better for us....... the argument I think is that he just doesn't *always* slowplay a set or 2 pair past the turn. He may often put in a raise before the river (ie on flop or turn) because the board is so wet and we have a lot of chips behind. I think the natural reaction by the vast majority of players is to at least be raising the turn with a big made hand to protect against the rather large number of possible draws, get value and just get money into the pot so the river can be a bigger bet. So we really could discount a decent number of his big hands and then things very quickly get +EV for us. We're also assuming that he floats the flop some of the time with a hand like AClub9Club, and he may not be the type of player that would do that (he limped in preflop which tends to signify that he's trying to hit the flop well).

Also, can we say for certain that he pots with 2 pair or a set on the river? It's a situation where we can say "well he should know he is never beat" but that doesn't necessarily mean he bets pot because a lot of the time its just going to scare us away. So in addition to the analysis knowing that its pretty close, we might be able to look at the pot size bet (given the action and the board texture) and be a little more comfortable check/calling. I'm not saying I would check call any bet, what I'm saying is that this particular sizing makes me want to call more in a relative sense.

Posted about 1 year ago

joel

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Time Link to 01:51:00

QDiamondTDiamond hand on table 2 on the KDiamond7Heart5Heart2Diamond board. After raising the flop you bet $22 into $36.50 and you comment there is no need to bet any bigger -- in fact you seem to imply that betting bigger, like 3/4 pot, would be a mistake.

I wonder if you could say a bit more about this. When you raise this flop you're not repping all that much. AK / KK would obviously have 3bet preflop, so you have a lot more flush draws and air in your range than value hands (sets and two pair). So when you barrel smallish on the turn it seems to me your range seems completely transparent as being of the former type. I mean, if you *did* have a set on the flop, given that your raise got called *and* that there are now two flush draws on the board, would you not be betting a lot closer to pot on the turn??

Often I'm in villain's shoes in a spot like this, say holding AK or KQ, and I see my opponent make a weak turn bet, I will shove over his turn barrel and get a ton of folds, or sometimes get called by a weak draw that I'm well ahead of. Players with sets or two pairs will either bet close to pot on the turn or even shove fearing to get sucked out on.

So my question is: wouldn't it be better to bomb the turn to properly rep a value hand? (I believe in another video, this was called the WiltOnTilt bread-and-butter play: raise a FD on the flop and if called, shove the turn. Very hard for an opponent to call without a very strong hand.)

Thanks for your time!

Posted about 1 year ago




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