HUD layout:
VPIP/PFR/3bet/Squeeze/Fold to 3bet/AF
Fold to flop CB/Fold to turn CB/Flop CB/Turn CB/Donk flop
Inavacuum brings back his friend Nick to review hands from 100NL.
Yin meets yang at microstakes NL. The majority of pros view micro play as extremely standard with no room for creativity. While true for the most part, not embracing nonstandard lines will leave profit on the table.
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HUD layout:
VPIP/PFR/3bet/Squeeze/Fold to 3bet/AF
Fold to flop CB/Fold to turn CB/Flop CB/Turn CB/Donk flop
Meh, don't rly think this was good content. This Nick-guy doesn't add anything to the video, there's no conversation about the hands, it's just inavacuum giving his thoughts about these hands. Nick simply agrees with everything inavacuum says and at least for me it was rly tough to find any usable ideas/thoughts/lines from this vid.
The J9o hand on 954ss, 9s board:
You made the assumption that villain isn't c/ring here as a bluff, so i don't rly see any point in checking back. Your flop range construction seems to lack stuff like 7s7x, 6s6x, As5x, T8 etc. I don't think that your assumption of villain's range being strong in this spot is rly spot on. I'm not confident that if you want to check a street in this hand, it's the turn you should be checking.
Meh, don't rly think this was good content. This Nick-guy doesn't add anything to the video, there's no conversation about the hands, it's just inavacuum giving his thoughts about these hands. Nick simply agrees with everything inavacuum says and...
I found Nick agreed less than the majority of contributors. It's difficult to find a contributor that everyone is going to think is ideal, that's why I've tried to use many different people. I think Nick did a great job and I'm thankful for his help. Of course, anyone is entitled to disagree.
The J9o hand on 954ss, 9s board:
You made the assumption that villain isn't c/ring here as a bluff, so i don't rly see any point in checking back.
That doesn't allow us to get any value on the river. If villain isn't CR bluffing we can bet/fold, sure. But we also lose potential value on the next street. It's the same thing as raise/folding a pair on the flop for information. Functional, yet ultimately pointless.
Your flop range construction seems to lack stuff like 7s7x, 6s6x, As5x, T8 etc. I don't think that your assumption of villain's range being strong in this spot is rly spot on. I'm not confident that if you want to check a street in this hand, it's the turn you should be checking
I would be amazed if hands like T8o and A5o are in his flop donking range. I doubt they are even in his preflop calling range. If he did lead the flop with a pair he's turning into a bluff, which is not impossible, he never takes this river line often enough for it to matter. I think we will have to agree to disagree about what his leading range without the means to prove either range.
Thank you for the feedback, please continue to provide it.
Meh, don't rly think this was good content. This Nick-guy doesn't add anything to the video, there's no conversation about the hands, it's just inavacuum giving his thoughts about these hands. Nick simply agrees with everything inavacuum says and at least for me it was rly tough to find any usable ideas/thoughts/lines from this vid.
Wow, with the risk of sounding like a huge kiss ass, i'm gonna disagree.
Is kinda funny you should mention this, as I was watching the episode earlier at work, and thought to myself that I was going to post in the video thread, that I thought that Nick is doing a great job, because he asks alot more than the earlier contributors, as they were students of Tim, and we as students tend to agree, or at least not ask to many questions as we haven't developed our game enough to ask the right questions as they arise.
In the KQ hand at around 40:00 (hero has KQo on Qc5c8c in a 3-bet pot), you say that we "want him to shove" with a hand like AJ with one club after we raise villain's cbet. This seems bad, so I just stoved it, and it turns out AJ with one club has about 46% equity against us, while he would only need 41% for a shove to be break-even when called by our hand every time. So obviously we should want AJ with one club to fold if we were to raise. So obviously raising is bad. Flatting seems MUCH better: like you said, villain will barrel any turn with air, so why not just flat and then win another bet on the turn 80% of the time? Plus this way we can get away from the hand when a club comes instead of stacking off.
edit: I posted this before I saw the results of the hand and that you actually stoved it yourself. I still maintain that flatting the flop is much better. It seems like you sometimes (not only in this hand) try to make excuses about why you are right and are quick to dismiss your student's skepticism. (I am not trying to be mean, just posting my view!)
a little disappointed with DC's quality control here
In the KQ hand at around 40:00 (hero has KQo on Qc5c8c in a 3-bet pot), you say that we "want him to shove" with a hand like AJ with one club after we raise villain's cbet. This seems bad, so I just stoved it, and it turns out AJ with one club has about 46% equity against us, while he would only need 41% for a shove to be break-even when called by our hand every time. So obviously we should want AJ with one club to fold if we were to raise. So obviously raising is bad. Flatting seems MUCH better: like you said, villain will barrel any turn with air, so why not just flat and then win another bet on the turn 80% of the time? Plus this way we can get away from the hand when a club comes instead of stacking off.
I possibly explained my thoughts somewhat poorly, but I believe villain is going to shove every single hand he's betting the flop with if we raise this amount on the flop, which is very close to if not 100% of the range he 3bets. If that is true then compared to calling him down raising becomes somewhat better. If his range is X and we raise, he will shove with 100% of X. If his range is X and we call, his range is still 100% of X when he bets the turn and still 100% of X IF he bets the river - only he doesn't always bet the river, and we're now behind more often - plus we get to the river far less often. If villain has AxJc 100% of the time, then I agree with you.
I am not advocating that raising this flop is the standard best line. I am advocating it as being most profitable vs that villain that time.
edit: I posted this before I saw the results of the hand and that you actually stoved it yourself. I still maintain that flatting the flop is much better. It seems like you sometimes (not only in this hand) try to make excuses about why you are right and are quick to dismiss your student's skepticism. (I am not trying to be mean, just posting my view!)
Please provide all examples of where this happens so that I can make sure it isn't happening - and if it is so that I can make amends, because this is would be extremely bad if it were the case. Re "being mean", as long as people comment their earnest views politely then anything goes: If you think I've got something wrong then I will examine it carefully.
That doesn't allow us to get any value on the river. If villain isn't CR bluffing we can bet/fold, sure. But we also lose potential value on the next street. It's the same thing as raise/folding a pair on the flop for information. Functional, yet ultimately pointless.
It's pointless only if he never c/c with a worse hand, which i think is more likely to happen than him c/c river with worse hand. Also, there's not much point in checking back the turn, if we're always folding to any normal sized bet. Also, if he's not 3betting 99, there's decent chance that he's got stuff like JJ/TT in his leading range which for sure aren't folding turn especially if he's got a spade with those.
And no, i don't think it's necessarily good to c/c turn with like TsTx but ppl do it all the time on this limit.
We are not folding to all bet sizes. Some sizes give us the correct odds to call. I have said in the past that sometimes this does not matter, and that is true, but in this case with the information we have, or lack thereof, getting the correct odds can be a great thing. I think villain can bluff or even bet worse for value on the river, but is almost never doing either of those things via the overbet.
You comment about him possibly having TT/JJ. I agree that this is possible. I do not think the fact that someone might flat 99 means they don't 3bet JJ, but that is a separate issue. If he has TT/JJ, he will peel the turn and not the river and he will not overbet the river if he chooses to bet it when Hero checks back the turn. If he checks the turn and it is checked back and he checks the river, he will then call Hero's value bet. Hero ends up earning the same from TT/JJ, only villain can bluff slightly more often.
i got a different question:
this video is on pkr, right?
do u have a hud there, or did u just import the hands?
and if u got a hud, how did u do it?
thanks
Wow. I am really disappointed with the quality of this video and of deuces cracked as a whole so far. The KQo hand around 40 mins is atrocious. I have gotten several second opinions of this hand from friends who are very good and they agree raising is bad. Where is the quality control? Also I disagree with inavacuum's response to whatwonder. Vilan is not shoving hands without a club that missed. Also KhQs on that board vs TT+ AT+ and KJ+ which is 9.5% of hands is only 56%, when vilan folds some of his bad hands. Vilan probably isn't even 3betting that wide when you look at positions. Also even if vilan jams every club or top pair or better we are only 39%.
How do you respond to that?
Wow. I am really disappointed with the quality of this video and of deuces cracked as a whole so far. The KQo hand around 40 mins is atrocious. I have gotten several second opinions of this hand from friends who are very good and they agree raising is bad. Where is the quality control? Also I disagree with inavacuum's response to whatwonder. Vilan is not shoving hands without a club that missed. Also KhQs on that board vs TT+ AT+ and KJ+ which is 9.5% of hands is only 56%, when vilan folds some of his bad hands. Vilan probably isn't even 3betting that wide when you look at positions. Also even if vilan jams every club or top pair or better we are only 39%.
How do you respond to that?
I haven't seen anything from this entire series but your comment made me watch the hand in question since this series has been getting very good feedback as far as I know so I got curious.
I think his assumptions about our equity were too optimistic (us being a big favourite vs pair+FD), but the play would be good if the assumptions are true. We're flipping or behind in reality mostly so unless villain is shoving stuff like Ax no club too, calling is better imo. He also said he'd call AcQx, which seems inconsistent with raising KQ. Calling and getting it in on a brick turn when we have 75% instead of 50% vs draws is a lot better imo.
Re the DC as a whole thing: Coaches quite frequently disagree with eachother on certain topics yet both can be winning players. If you don't like the content of a particular coach, simply don't watch videos by that coach. DC has a library of over a thousand videos (I think) from many different coaches.
Yes I agree with you fully. I think my post may have been slightly harsh and over aggressive. I also much prefer calling and getting it in on good turns. ![]()
Vilan is not shoving hands without a club that missed.
I know the villian, and he definitely is. Hence the raise.
Also KhQs on that board vs TT+ AT+ and KJ+ which is 9.5% of hands is only 56%, when vilan folds some of his bad hands.
This villain is never folding his bad hands.
Vilan probably isn't even 3betting that wide when you look at positions.
I think he 3bets different people a different amount in different positions. Obviously we wouldn't want to be as robotic as to look at his 3bet vs position X and assume that's how much he's 3betting us.
I also much prefer calling and getting it in on good turns.
I prefer that line vs many people.
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