been eagerly awaiting the live play vids! thanks Nan!
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been eagerly awaiting the live play vids! thanks Nan!
Nan, congrats on great series! I also see that a lot of other people like it too, which is really cool. You are indeed a very thinking player and a very good coach.
However there is one thing confusing/bothering me a bit.
A lot of these concepts you are explaining here are not never-seen-before at least not to members of Improva's (Oliver) Poker Puzzle Forum where also you were and still are very active. True that this videos are sort of light weight version of the videos on Puzzle, where he is explaining about range construction vs. different opponents/scenarios. In one of his videos he was actually helping you with range construction for defending against 3bets if I'm not mistaken.
Of course there's not much sense in trying to define My/Your/His knowledge or ideas.
But somehow i feel that ideas which Improva so selflessly shared with us (in form of short videos, forum threads answer, etc.) should probably not be used for your own promotion/series.
Of course I might be totally wrong since you might have asked Oliver for permission/opinion and he agreed and I'm barking up at a wrong tree. But i had to let it out.
No hard feelings and wish you all the best at the tables,
Andrej
Nan, congrats on great series! I also see that a lot of other people like it too, which is really cool. You are indeed a very thinking player and a very good coach.
However there is one thing confusing/bothering me a bit.
A lot of these concepts you are explaining here are not never-seen-before at least not to members of Improva's (Oliver) Poker Puzzle Forum where also you were and still are very active. True that this videos are sort of light weight version of the videos on Puzzle, where he is explaining about range construction vs. different opponents/scenarios. In one of his videos he was actually helping you with range construction for defending against 3bets if I'm not mistaken.
Of course there's not much sense in trying to define My/Your/His knowledge or ideas.
But somehow i feel that ideas which Improva so selflessly shared with us (in form of short videos, forum threads answer, etc.) should probably not be used for your own promotion/series.
Of course I might be totally wrong since you might have asked Oliver for permission/opinion and he agreed and I'm barking up at a wrong tree. But i had to let it out.
No hard feelings and wish you all the best at the tables,
Andrej
I don't claim to have invented any poker concepts. Most of these concepts or ideas have been expressed in other videos/forum posts/articles/books etc in one form or another. I've also been taught these concepts by my coaches such as Improva, Balugawhale. Ideas in this series are my own interpretation of how the concepts fit together and how to apply them. Another person with the same information will not have the same interpretation and apply concepts the same way, otherwise everyone coached by the same coach will play exactly the same, which is clearly not the case. For example, both of us and grindcore was coached by Improva but the 3 of us don't play the same way. I fact my graph looks the opposite of grindcore's except for the green line.
Poker at the fundamental level is just of battle of ranges and constructing your ranges better than your opponents is what makes poker +EV. Any poker instruction content will just repeat that same concept over and over, showing each instructor's own personal interpretation on how best to do that.
If any of my coaches think I've mis-represented their concept or claim some of their original concepts as my own, feel free to contact me.
bet the turn maybe except AJ with a heart.
you say in the video that your value range expands on that card, but don't you also have a wide bluffing range on that board, meaning that QQ is a value bet?
You should not think in terms of hands but ranges. If you take different line with different hands then all you do is isolate your range and make it super easy for villain to hand read you.
Also, the above statement seems somewhat contradictory to some things you've espoused in the past. In other words, it seems fine to me to take different lines with different hands if a) we don't have enough history with the villain for balance to matter at all, so taking the highest EV line for our hand would be best, even if that is a different line than we'd take with the rest of our range or b) we are exploiting our opponent/manipulating our perceived range to maximize our EV.
Taking different lines with different hands seems absolutely fine if you adjust it based on gameflow, and I'm pretty sure you've asserted this in the past (in the forums) as well.
you say in the video that your value range expands on that card, but don't you also have a wide bluffing range on that board, meaning that QQ is a value bet?
how did you come to this conclusions? Why should you have a wide bluffing range where your value range expands?
Taking different line with individual hand is good when you have a good read on the villain who isolate part of their range so you can exploit them to the max. I said this in one of the previous episodes too. Vs unknown you should not do that because there's not way for you to know how to play each hand differently as in playing made hands one way and semibluffs another way is more +EV so best to play your range.
how did you come to this conclusions? Why should you have a wide bluffing range where your value range expands?
well I mean when the turn brings a flush, that's usually a good spot to barrel (scare card). i.e. you'll probably be bluffing there a lot, or at least be perceived to be bluffing there.
well I mean when the turn brings a flush, that's usually a good spot to barrel (scare card). i.e. you'll probably be bluffing there a lot, or at least be perceived to be bluffing there.
I don't know about other people but I don't bluff multiway alot especially when both players called and flush got there. Only fairly strong semibluffs are in my turn betting range as a default. You should not bluff where people are repping a strong range like when they call with a player left to act or overcall when someone already called telling you loud and clear that "I have a hand"
Some players like to be a sicko and try to make people fold strong hands but I prefer to bluff when people's ranges are weak.
ahh i misread the action. didn't see the flop was multiway.
Thanks for the great series. I started breaking even lately and this series helped me to get rid of some tunnel vision ![]()
I don't claim to have invented any poker concepts. Most of these concepts or ideas have been expressed in other videos/forum posts/articles/books etc in one form or another. I've also been taught these concepts by my coaches such as Improva, Balugawhale. Ideas in this series are my own interpretation of how the concepts fit together and how to apply them. Another person with the same information will not have the same interpretation and apply concepts the same way, otherwise everyone coached by the same coach will play exactly the same, which is clearly not the case. For example, both of us and grindcore was coached by Improva but the 3 of us don't play the same way. I fact my graph looks the opposite of grindcore's except for the green line.
Poker at the fundamental level is just of battle of ranges and constructing your ranges better than your opponents is what makes poker +EV. Any poker instruction content will just repeat that same concept over and over, showing each instructor's own personal interpretation on how best to do that.
If any of my coaches think I've mis-represented their concept or claim some of their original concepts as my own, feel free to contact me.
I dont have access to the video because I dont subscribe anymore, but I always read the threads to see if anything can be picked up from them. This is the best post I have seen in ages. Thanks for pointing this out blah234
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How do you get that read from this hand when turn is a King ? King hits your percieved range pretty hard so most players will not stab air. Same as if a ace hit the turn, anyother cards he is obv way more likely to bet. Can you explain about the note given that card..
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seems like a pretty easy raise fold here in this spot... if you take this line. Given the reads on villian, Why do you say you probably have to call here when u raise and he jams? You said it yourself when he jams you are usally beat. I do not believe you are commited. He also has 2P and JQ in his range that you did not mention.. not to nit pick just saying. I sometimes will just call vs a villian that has a strong DB range, is that bad? I just feel theres alot of turns were not really happy to commit with. IE any Diamond Q, J 10,
guessing thats about 16 cards. Great vid so far and sorry if none of this makes sense its almost bed time lol. Awesome vid BTW!
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You say you should not be rasising his donks much anymore because he had MP. Can i ASK why? Most players that are bad enough to DB Mps usually call with them. Sorry for so many? sir Im just curious ![]()
How do you get that read from this hand when turn is a King ? King hits your percieved range pretty hard so most players will not stab air. Same as if a ace hit the turn, anyother cards he is obv way more likely to bet. Can you explain about the note given that card..
I don't see how a K hit's my perceived range, A maybe but not a K. No many players check a K on the flop for showdown value. When I don't bet this flop my perceived range is super weak because its low and wet. Also, pretty hard to hit any given card when you started out with a 60% preflop range so any card should of not hit my perceived range much if villain is thinking on that level.
all Kx hands should pay off 2 streets once the turn A came, I would of bet river too if he called the turn. He can also have a draw which will call turn but not call river, such as GS, FD etc.
I agree but dont you think checking back can be better since most villians will bet when they have K themselves as well as most of there draws... pretty much leaves villian with air alot here checking has alot of merit imo not only can he hit a pair but when check twice he can assume we are giving up and he can stab with his 9 high
Do you think this maybe a better line assuming villian will bet most of his draws on the turn vs check calling them?
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