inavacuum
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if he is checking back the river its a easy shove i suppose?
I am asking this, because in the last three session I played the fish checkback the flush and I shove with toptwo or set.
It could be a shove, whatever amount you think the weaker parts of his range will call most often, obviously taking into account he can call bigger bets less often and this can still be the most profitable line as long as not always folding.
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soleztis
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I like this play for the reasons stated, and agree with Inavacuum's reasoning for not shoving, however I think one point about the river was ignored.
We thought that his turn bet was either the nuts or pot control. Because we have the Ah, the "nuts" (or close to it) is K high, maybe Q high flushes, making pot control hands a fairly large amount of his range. (I also thing we often see a larger bet from his nutted hands, but that is another discussion). His pot control bets could often be attempts at cheap draws, but again we have Ah, diminishing hands that he really wants to draw to.
We now start getting close to a large part of his range being pot control hands that often want to get to showdown. By nature, if he is pot controlling these hands, his plan will often be to c/c river. Now, an argument can be made that he might call our 2/3-3/4 sized pot bets and we possibly shouldn't bet at all, or if we do bet it has to be a shove.
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I don't think so, he should call with Jx either way and fold worse, if we think he's going be calling with worse you could size it down slightly. Once hero takes the line of bet/x/bet then any pair worse than JT is more or less the same thing.
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I don't think so, he should call with Jx either way and fold worse, if we think he's going be calling with worse you could size it down slightly. Once hero takes the line of bet/x/bet then any pair worse than JT is more or less the same thing.
makes sense
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I don't think we should fold on the turn, because villain's value range of better hands is pretty narrow, if he is raising about 12% UTG(he might be adjusting because of the fish, though) pretty much the only Tx hand that villain could have is ATs and there are only 1 combo of it, TT is 1 combo as well and JJ,55 makes 6 combos. Since we don't have any read on his flop betsizing(like you said it just could be that he isn't good enough to realize that our calling range is quite inelastic), he could still have hands like AdKd, KdQd, AdQd and worse value combos KK,QQ.
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Say you flat preflop CO vs BTN against the reg, would you be raise/getting it in on this flop?
I don't really see the point of doing so in position. Villain would have to be stacking off extremely light extremely often.
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I think having Ah makes virtually no difference vs this type of player. If anything, it may even improve our implied odds.
Sorry I didn't really formulate my question clearly. What I was trying to ask that when we have the Ah in our hand folding this flop is out of question, right? And if you float what would your plan be in some draw completing turns (heart, queen)?
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Sorry I didn't really formulate my question clearly. What I was trying to ask that when we have the Ah in our hand folding this flop is out of question, right? And if you float what would your plan be in some draw completing turns (heart, queen)?
Call or check back, depending on the card. If he's betting we're probably going to have fold on a non-heart Q for example. Going to assume I have no FE vs this type of player unless I know differently.
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