Something like that, didn't do the exactly math.
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Something like that, didn't do the exactly math.
thnx man.....each one of your vids helps me a lot.
Let's say you know villain rarely calls 3bets OOP and is likely to 4b. IP villain is more likely to call 3bets. You should then use two different strategies (when villain is OOP; 3b/5b and when villain is IP; valuehands) on this specific villain right?
Let's say you know villain rarely calls 3bets OOP and is likely to 4b. IP villain is more likely to call 3bets. You should then use two different strategies (when villain is OOP; 3b/5b and when villain is IP; valuehands) on this specific villain right?
yes
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Great series so far blah234 ![]()
You said that if villain is aggressive with a wide range from late position, we should be more inclined to call wider (from the blinds) so that any time we hit a pair we have good implied odds, because villain has a lot of air in his barrelling range and even if we play fit or fold it should still be +EV. But if we're defending a wider range, it means we have more air postflop, so won't we end up check folding most of the time and donating at least 1 bb?
Great series so far blah234
You said that if villain is aggressive with a wide range from late position, we should be more inclined to call wider (from the blinds) so that any time we hit a pair we have good implied odds, because villain has a lot of air in his barrelling range and even if we play fit or fold it should still be +EV. But if we're defending a wider range, it means we have more air postflop, so won't we end up check folding most of the time and donating at least 1 bb?
math question. If villain min raises and cbets like 70% of the times then we are basically calling 1bb to win like 5bb. We break even if we x/f 4/5 times. I'm fairly sure we can flop a hand more often than even if we play fit or fold and no one said we have to fold when we don't flop a pair.
Doesn't playing fit or fold imply we only ever continue when we hit? So if we're playing back when we don't hit, we're not playing fit/fold.
Also if we hit something like bottom pair and villain is barrelling air a lot, we're likely to be ahead of his range as a whole but our equity might not be that great, in addition to us being oop it can make the hand very difficult to play. What is your approach in this scenario?
Doesn't playing fit or fold imply we only ever continue when we hit? So if we're playing back when we don't hit, we're not playing fit/fold.
right so if we can be +EV while playing fit or fold then it must be higher EV if we don't play fit or fold by finding right spots to play back
Also if we hit something like bottom pair and villain is barrelling air a lot, we're likely to be ahead of his range as a whole but our equity might not be that great, in addition to us being oop it can make the hand very difficult to play. What is your approach in this scenario?
put villain on a range and play. There's no one right way to do anything the general concept is that since we get good price even if we play fit or fold we can be +EV calling a wide range. so what if we're OOP? What can the guy IP do? Fact is people just say OOP is bad like a catch phrase and in reality very few players understand how to use position. This combined with the wide preflop ranges is why we can play back with fairly wide ranges even OOP.
This video series' target audience is small stakes players, I don't talk about how to play vs good players that understands position and knows how to use it well.
Aaah I see now! Thanks blah!!! ![]()
Just had a thought - what can a player who understands position & uses it really well do that other players can't? Apply more pressure by betting/raising in position? But isn't this what most players do anyway?
Just had a thought - what can a player who understands position & uses it really well do that other players can't? Apply more pressure by betting/raising in position? But isn't this what most players do anyway?
why can't they apply pressure by bet/raising OOP? Same pressure IP as OOP with the same bet sizing.
in reality very few players understand how to use position. This combined with the wide preflop ranges is why we can play back with fairly wide ranges even OOP.
I don't talk about how to play vs good players that understands position and knows how to use it well.
Sorry if I wasn't clear, I meant what is it that these good players can do with position that an average SS reg can't?
From what you've said I'm assuming that against someone who does know how to use position well, calling oop with a wide range even if they open a wide range isn't profitable, but why?
Sorry if I wasn't clear, I meant what is it that these good players can do with position that an average SS reg can't?
From what you've said I'm assuming that against someone who does know how to use position well, calling oop with a wide range even if they open a wide range isn't profitable, but why?
Short answer to first questions is they can construct ranges better and much harder for the guy OOP to be +EV. Long answer is too long for forum post and I suggest anyone who wants to learn this get their coach to teach it to them.
I don't understand your second question. Wide range is also relative, you obv shouldn't play a range wider than the pfr OOP in most cases. I'm pretty sure I said in the video that we can call a wider range of hands OOP compared to what the "standard" range is because most people don't know how to use position well.
Short answer to first questions is they can construct ranges better and much harder for the guy OOP to be +EV. Long answer is too long for forum post and I suggest anyone who wants to learn this get their coach to teach it to them.
I don't understand your second question. Wide range is also relative, you obv shouldn't play a range wider than the pfr OOP in most cases. I'm pretty sure I said in the video that we can call a wider range of hands OOP compared to what the "standard" range is because most people don't know how to use position well.
You actually answered this in the first part of your reply
Calling a wider range against someone who does know how to use position well reduces the EV of the player oop, so they can't defend with the same range they could against an average player.
Short answer to first questions is they can construct ranges better and much harder for the guy OOP to be +EV. Long answer is too long for forum post and I suggest anyone who wants to learn this get their coach to teach it to them.
Did you learn this from your coach, or did it suddenly "click" at some point?
Did you learn this from your coach, or did it suddenly "click" at some point?
I learn parts from coaches and other parts from videos then put all the pieces together and it "clicked"
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