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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by blah234 (Micro/Small Stakes)

If we estimate that the best play with a hand is to 3bet we should 3bet. We don't lose EV of future hands as long as we adjust our 3bet range and remember to gradually expand our shoving range and gradually depolarize.

When we defend against 3bets it is not a good to default to a 4bet if we are not sure. That is a sign of poor postflop skills in 3bet pots. I see a lot of players 4bet hands like 88 in spots where it is going to be --EV. People need to 3bet a ton or be bad enough to 3bet/shove small pockets.

The best way to learn this is to sit down and do the math. I requires a lot of work.. but you will get a much better feel for the ranges.. And you will be more sure when you pick your lines.

Against an aggro 3better min raising is a really good idea.

a) you can call with more hands we you get 3bet.
b) when you 4bet he can't shove as wide a range because he will risk more money.

I've actually found the major adjustment to my minraising has been larger 3bet size so I don't really get to call a lot and my 4 bet bluffs get really expensive. I react to it by folding a lot more often since I figure their bluff is costing so much more that I don't need to play back very often. Also if it gets out of hand I tighten up my button range.

I've actually found the major adjustment to my minraising has been larger 3bet size so I don't really get to call a lot and my 4 bet bluffs get really expensive. I react to it by folding a lot more often since I figure their bluff is costing so much more that I don't need to play back very often. Also if it gets out of hand I tighten up my button range.

I need a little more info

larger? To 10bb?
Do they 3bet a wider range or more of less the same range?
Do they call with more hands?

I need a little more info

larger? To 10bb?
Do they 3bet a wider range or more of less the same range?
Do they call with more hands?

Yeah 2-10 seems be the norm with these guys. I haven't gotten to showdown enough yet to really speak of if their range is different or not. I know they are still folding to 4 bets so its not a super tight range.

Good video ! Say we are bb vs btn , how do you construct your range when villain is 4betting some , calling some but also folding a fair amount. I find this happens to me and i cant say for sure what part of the spectrum villain sits most in - this leads me to constructing a range based on the hands im dealt more so than a specific game plan. What should i be doing to help me find one ?

Good video ! Say we are bb vs btn , how do you construct your range when villain is 4betting some , calling some but also folding a fair amount. I find this happens to me and i cant say for sure what part of the spectrum villain sits most in - this leads me to constructing a range based on the hands im dealt more so than a specific game plan. What should i be doing to help me find one ?

If he folds enough for your 3 bet to be profitable we're still going to 3 bet with polarized range and make money just from folds. If he's not then he must defend with a wide range unless he's nitty. So when someone defends wide range they must be doing either too much 4 bet or call and we depolarize or shift into shoving over 4 bet mode.

Remeber it's a paper rock scissors game. If people uses 70% paper (fold) 15% scissors (call), 10% rock (4bet) we still use rock (polarized range) 100% of the time.

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Great video, cant wait for the next one!

hi great vid

speaking of us betting i got some questions (you said that me must think in tem of why...)

why do we 3bet pocket pairs and Axs instead of calling them to set mine / play flushdraws ip
you said 3betting is to make him do errors, don't you think we make him does less error when we 3bet pocket paires and Axs than if we call them ip?

when he will certainly call
that means f cbet<66% right? so i we was him call 3bet with 67s we 3bet with 87s+? that sounds wide..
why did you want 10% 3bet,is it a good number because if we just 3bet all that is ahead of his calling range it can be more or less than 10%

when he will certainly 4bet
you said he will certainly calls shove with TT+ AK (3.5%)
what range do we want to consider that he 4bet a lot (his range = 4bet% x PFR of the position he 4bet, right?) because it will be spew if we consider him 4 betting a lot but he does not in reality
why do you construct your range with 22+ AQ+ vs TT+AK (38%vs him)
why dont you prefer A2s+,TT+,KQs,AQo with is 39% against him and keep all pairs to setmine,
why do you take a range of 8% to 5bet?

when he will certainly folds
why put Aqo , we will not like to bet 4bettet
why put QQ+ if he folds a lot, why not construct a range with only bluffs and flats premium vs him?

thats a lot of questions but trying to think in term of why

thanks, have a nice day

hi great vid

speaking of us betting i got some questions (you said that me must think in tem of why...)

why do we 3bet pocket pairs and Axs instead of calling them to set mine / play flushdraws ip
you said 3betting is to make him do errors, don't you think we make him does less error when we 3bet pocket paires and Axs than if we call them ip?

when he will certainly call
that means f cbet<66% right? so i we was him call 3bet with 67s we 3bet with 87s+? that sounds wide..
why did you want 10% 3bet,is it a good number because if we just 3bet all that is ahead of his calling range it can be more or less than 10%

when he will certainly 4bet
you said he will certainly calls shove with TT+ AK (3.5%)
what range do we want to consider that he 4bet a lot (his range = 4bet% x PFR of the position he 4bet, right?) because it will be spew if we consider him 4 betting a lot but he does not in reality
why do you construct your range with 22+ AQ+ vs TT+AK (38%vs him)
why dont you prefer A2s+,TT+,KQs,AQo with is 39% against him and keep all pairs to setmine,
why do you take a range of 8% to 5bet?

when he will certainly folds
why put Aqo , we will not like to bet 4bettet
why put QQ+ if he folds a lot, why not construct a range with only bluffs and flats premium vs him?

thats a lot of questions but trying to think in term of why

thanks, have a nice day

First you need to think about range and not hands. If someone calls with 67s as the bottom of his range do you then 3bet 87s+? The answer is no because 87s still has equity disadvantage vs villain's RANGE even though it is ahead of some hands in his range.

I picked 10% as an example in the video and I believe I said that number i just pulled out of the air without any specific reason. The example is to illustrate how to construct 3 betting ranges. You should use the previous slide and what I talked about as guidelines to figure out how wide of a range you want to 3 bet.

The definition of someone 4 bet a lot is they will fold a good portion of his 4 betting range to a shove. We construct our range to have the maximum equity vs his calling range. We make money not from being called. If you look at the equity of AK vs a range of TT+ and AQ+ that is only around flipping. We make money from our 5 bet shoving range from the combination of pot equity and fold equity vs villain's total 4 betting range( 4bet/call + 4 bet/fold). I suggest you play around with poker stove and see hand's preflop hot and cold equity vs a range. You will see why we want to shove pocket pairs instead of like KQ and Ax.

When villain folds too much he will certainly not fold everything. I'm sure you can 3 bet QQ AK etc and be ahead of any defending range. Slow playing makes sense only if villain is folding everything down to AA KK which no one does. Even if someone is a super nit, you can pound on them with 3 bets until you can 3 bet AK, QQ profitably.

The most comon scenario for me (micro stakes) is 3betting AK for value against a fish.

They will always call any pair+any broadway.

Equity is about 60/40 in my favour.

Post-flop are you saying we should bet/bet/shove every time ?(only folding to a re-raise)?

The most comon scenario for me (micro stakes) is 3betting AK for value against a fish.

They will always call any pair+any broadway.

Equity is about 60/40 in my favour.

Post-flop are you saying we should bet/bet/shove every time ?(only folding to a re-raise)?

how did you come to this conclusion? If your equity is 60/40 vs a calling range on every street then yes you should bet/bet/shove everytime. I doubt you will have that equity without hitting a pair.

[quote]how did you come to this conclusion? If your equity is 60/40 vs a calling range on every street then yes you should bet/bet/shove everytime. I doubt you will have that equity without hitting a pair.[/quote

assume it is a fisjh who calls any broadway and pair
your equity with AK is 60.40


so i mean pre-flop equity

do we bet/bet/shove?

Smershbloke.....This totally depends on player tendencies and board texture. Not all fish play the same and not all fish will fold their equity share postflop.

assume it is a fisjh who calls any broadway and pair
your equity with AK is 60.40


so i mean pre-flop equity

do we bet/bet/shove?

no because the villain's range changes on each street so unless you think you have more than 51% equity on every street, you should not keep betting.

no because the villain's range changes on each street so unless you think you have more than 51% equity on every street, you should not keep betting.

that make sense now.
However, this is very difficult to estimate against a fish, right?

btw - i really like your series.

The best way to learn this is to sit down and do the math. I requires a lot of work.. but you will get a much better feel for the ranges.. And you will be more sure when you pick your lines.

Against an aggro 3better min raising is a really good idea.

a) you can call with more hands we you get 3bet.
b) when you 4bet he can't shove as wide a range because he will risk more money.

On a), what is your reason for wanting to call more hands when you get 3b, can you explain how you think beacuse just minraising and calling more smaller 3bets without a reason and plan on how to make money from it seems pointless and more hands than what amount? So to educate us, it is not enough to say you can do this without the why.

For b) Also incomplete information to me, when we 4bet what range vs what range can't he shove wide, how wide? And what about him 5betting smaller instead of 5b shoving with a range that is adjusted to our range?
Isn't it more complicated then just saying if you minraise someone 3betting a wide range and then if you 4bet he can't shove as wide a range beacuse he will risk more money.

It's like saying if someone raises wide and you 3bet he can't shove a wide range, well how wide do we 3b vs how wide a opening range and what does our 3b range consist of and how do we respond to his shoves etc?
I don't know exactly what I'm talking about cause thinking deep in ranges and trying to figure this out is very new to me, I just don't se how that comment really shows anything concrete.

Also I want to learn this and do the math and figure stuff out but there can be so many variables it seems, I don't know when I will have figured it out, aslo when I think about it I doubt all high stakes players and famous proos have all done the nitty gritty math, I think it is requiered to get an edge so I want to do it but I doubt all the succesfull players have all sat for days and weeks calculating stuff.. ecpecially in the past when there where more fish, maybe it wasn't required then but more now, I mean vs a huge fish you can se much more obviues ways to play with an edge than you need vs a decent regg and you don't have to extract the most edge you can to be a winner vs big fish.