I like the 4bet fold strategy vs a 3bet when unsure, I just don't win money when I flat 3bets (even after adjusting for pf size) and it's too easy to play too fit/fold or spewy
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I like the 4bet fold strategy vs a 3bet when unsure, I just don't win money when I flat 3bets (even after adjusting for pf size) and it's too easy to play too fit/fold or spewy
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I like the 4bet fold strategy vs a 3bet when unsure, I just don't win money when I flat 3bets (even after adjusting for pf size) and it's too easy to play too fit/fold or spewy
I feel the same way but I often feel like screaming when I turned AJo into a bluff and get called instead of shoved on,
Episode 2 already, super sweet. How often will these be released?
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What's the minimum 4b% of a villain needed for you to shift to this range?
I would guess 20%+ but I may be wrong.
Super vid btw.
What's the minimum 4b% of a villain needed for you to shift to this range?
I would guess 20%+ but I may be wrong.
Super vid btw.
This depends on villain's preflop range, 4 betting 20% of a 10% opening range is all strong hands but 4 betting 20% of a 60% opening range you can shift your 3betting range and prepare to shove.
This depends on villain's preflop range, 4 betting 20% of a 10% opening range is all strong hands but 4 betting 20% of a 60% opening range you can shift your 3betting range and prepare to shove.
True, but we're mostly talking about CO or BTN v Blinds where opener is more often than not around 45%.
(I very rarely see someone open 10% or 60% OTB, I would say 75% of the time it's 35-45%)
But I see what you mean how you have to take their open range into account.
If we estimate that the best play with a hand is to 3bet we should 3bet. We don't lose EV of future hands as long as we adjust our 3bet range and remember to gradually expand our shoving range and gradually depolarize.
When we defend against 3bets it is not a good to default to a 4bet if we are not sure. That is a sign of poor postflop skills in 3bet pots. I see a lot of players 4bet hands like 88 in spots where it is going to be --EV. People need to 3bet a ton or be bad enough to 3bet/shove small pockets.
The best way to learn this is to sit down and do the math. I requires a lot of work.. but you will get a much better feel for the ranges.. And you will be more sure when you pick your lines.
Against an aggro 3better min raising is a really good idea.
a) you can call with more hands we you get 3bet.
b) when you 4bet he can't shove as wide a range because he will risk more money.
If we estimate that the best play with a hand is to 3bet we should 3bet. We don't lose EV of future hands as long as we adjust our 3bet range and remember to gradually expand our shoving range and gradually depolarize.
When we defend against 3bets it is not a good to default to a 4bet if we are not sure. That is a sign of poor postflop skills in 3bet pots. I see a lot of players 4bet hands like 88 in spots where it is going to be --EV. People need to 3bet a ton or be bad enough to 3bet/shove small pockets.
The best way to learn this is to sit down and do the math. I requires a lot of work.. but you will get a much better feel for the ranges.. And you will be more sure when you pick your lines.
Against an aggro 3better min raising is a really good idea.
a) you can call with more hands we you get 3bet.
b) when you 4bet he can't shove as wide a range because he will risk more money.
Maybe I didn't make it clear enough in the video but I wasn't suggesting 4 bet and stack off with a wide range. I mean to lean towards a 4 bet bluff over a call if we're not sure if our call will be +EV. Eventually we'd like our postflop play to be good enough but in the mean time 4bet bluffing is the "easier" route that allows the least amount of mistakes (for both hero and villain).
Agree totally with the rest of what you said, didn't mention the minraising strategy in the video, which works great vs aggro 3 bettors.
Against an aggro 3better min raising is a really good idea.
a) you can call with more hands we you get 3bet.
b) when you 4bet he can't shove as wide a range because he will risk more money.
I might disagree with B. I understand the point of using leverage vs aggro player. But if his 5b shoves are bigger, from a GTO perspective, he can actually bluff more than if his 5b shoves are smaller - in other words his bigger 5b shoves we don't need to call as frequently because we win so much when we do. So our range would be tighter relative to his, which could be wider. Hope this makes sense. Flame away.
So I agree we open smaller and 4b smaller - but only assuming we want to keep a wider opening range (the inverse is we can keep the opens and 4b bigger the tighter we adjust our opening range).
I might disagree with B. I understand the point of using leverage vs aggro player. But if his 5b shoves are bigger, from a GTO perspective, he can actually bluff more than if his 5b shoves are smaller - assuming he expands his value range too.
I understand what you are saying.
The bigger you bet the more bluffs you can have in your range. The reason is that the bigger you bet the more equity a bluff catcher needs to make a +EV call.
But what is a bluff and what is value in this case?
If you do the math you will see that what matters is how much equity a given hand has against the calling range. If the calling range is static (which is reasonable in this case) then you need more equity in order to have a +EV shove or the BTN needs to fold more often.
Really one of the best series in along time 
Just one question. When u talk about the euro guys out of control 4betting and u recommend to shove AQ+ and 22+, what for a 4bet/call range do you almost assign to villain? Something like AK, QQ+? Than I'd prefer some other hands than AQo tbh.
QQ+,AKs,AKo vs AQo 24.42% while 65s eg has 31.14%
Really one of the best series in along time
Just one question. When u talk about the euro guys out of control 4betting and u recommend to shove AQ+ and 22+, what for a 4bet/call range do you almost assign to villain? Something like AK, QQ+? Than I'd prefer some other hands than AQo tbh.
QQ+,AKs,AKo vs AQo 24.42% while 65s eg has 31.14%
You can't assume people's calling range will be QQ and AK only. Most likely calling range something like TT+ and AK if they're 4 betting alot.
True dats. And than hands like AQo, AJs KQs, QJs go up in value. Olrait =)
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