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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by blah234 (Micro/Small Stakes)

Folding always has an EV of 0. The only thing that matters in poker is your current decision. Raising AJo UTG to 4bbs is +EV. If you get 3bet, the raise was still +EV as you couldn't know you were going to get 3bet at the point of raising. Folding to the 3bet has an EV of 0, not -4bbs.

We're not talking about the same thing i believe. What you said is very true but i was referring to if we always fold a 3bb raise to 3 bet then HEM will show -300bb/100 when we get 3 bet with that hand. But if we call with that hand and HEM shows -100bb/100 then we'd still not be "winning money" calling 3 bet with that hand but it's higher EV than folding. This was in response to the poster asking are we going to show a profit calling KJs. In HEM it's probably not going to show a positive number for calling 3 bets.

Or maybe we are talking about the same thing just in different wording.

Looking at bb/100 when you filter for fold when facing a 3bet is meaningless since you only look at a part of the tree.

Folding is 0EV.
Calling should be +EV.
Limping should be +EV.
Raising should +EV.

We're not talking about the same thing i believe. What you said is very true but i was referring to if we always fold a 3bb raise to 3 bet then HEM will show -300bb/100 when we get 3 bet with that hand. But if we call with that hand and HEM shows -100bb/100 then we'd still not be "winning money" calling 3 bet with that hand but it's higher EV than folding. This was in response to the poster asking are we going to show a profit calling KJs. In HEM it's probably not going to show a positive number for calling 3 bets.

Or maybe we are talking about the same thing just in different wording.

Yeah we're talking about the same thing, but I think the way you're expressing it will lead to more confusion. Folding always has an EV of 0. Using HEM bb/100 winrates is the result of the entire hand, not for isolated decisions. Saying stuff like the best play is not always +EV makes sense if you view things from a different angle but it's not the angle generally used to discuss these things.

So if you filter for "call 3bet," you'd want your bb/100 to be positive, right? But if it were "faced 3bet," it will probably be negative, because you lose 3bb every time you fold. Do I have that right?

So if you filter for "call 3bet," you'd want your bb/100 to be positive, right? But if it were "faced 3bet," it will probably be negative, because you lose 3bb every time you fold. Do I have that right?

Yes

Nice video. Don't need to spend so much time talking about what you will talk about.

Yes

<--- losing almost 200 bb/100 when facing a 3bet

So if you filter for "call 3bet," you'd want your bb/100 to be positive, right?

No, because if your BB/100 for calling 3bets is -250 you're profiting on your calls because not calling would have been -300.

But your bb/100 for calling 3bets better be higher than your bb/100 for facing 3bets, or you're making -EV calls (assuming there's no variance).

So if you filter for "call 3bet," you'd want your bb/100 to be positive, right? But if it were "faced 3bet," it will probably be negative, because you lose 3bb every time you fold. Do I have that right?

I agree with what grindcore said on this question and that's basically what I wanted to say in my first post. Improva can you kindly explain why you said "yes" to the above question?

I agree with what grindcore said on this question and that's basically what I wanted to say in my first post. Improva can you kindly explain why you said "yes" to the above question?

Because I brainfarted

No, because if your BB/100 for calling 3bets is -250 you're profiting on your calls because not calling would have been -300.

But your bb/100 for calling 3bets better be higher than your bb/100 for facing 3bets, or you're making -EV calls (assuming there's no variance).

But does a "call 3bet" filter take into account what would have happened if you folded, or does it measure your winrate from the point at which you made the decision and called?

But does a "call 3bet" filter take into account what would have happened if you folded, or does it measure your winrate from the point at which you made the decision and called?

bb/100 is in HEM always calculated from the beginning of the hand - which makes it a pain to use when making EV calculations.

EV of folding is no longer 0 it is 0-[the amount you have put into the pot]

bb/100 is in HEM always calculated from the beginning of the hand - which makes it a pain to use when making EV calculations.

EV of folding is no longer 0 it is 0-[the amount you have put into the pot]

ahh ok thank you ^^

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You know what?

Screw it I am watching anyway I got free time and work done for today

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Hah did you include this because of the Grindcoring thread?