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Hey grindcore, cool video, one question:
Table 3:
This seems like a easy lead on the river for value, since he wont be betting much 2 pair combinations here, and they will all call your lead often.
I dont know if your plan was to check/call here to induce many bluffs, but i feel like that is unlikely to happen given that villain would normally barrel the turn with a bluff anyway. And if he isn't betting the turn with air he would just completly give up with his air on the river aswell.
Point is also that I dont think that villain often bets worse hands then you have for value here IP, so you have to rely on bluffs if you plan to ch/c and like I stated/asked earlier I dont think there are many.
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Grindcore
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What about checking on this flop? No flush draws out there, and it's going to be hard to get 3 streets of value from the villain. You mentioned before he was very aggro, which I agree with, so why not pot control/induce bluffs with our top pair weak kicker?
The problem with checking is that he expects us to cbet all our air, so a check signals that we have a bluffcatcher, while a beat could be air. You can go both ways. He might float air when we bet too, which will cause him to put in 2 bets, while he might give up after 1 bet when we c/c (or fire 3, which kinda sucks). All in all it's pretty close and checking is fine too. Against weaker opponents you definitely want to check.
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Grindcore
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Hey grindcore, cool video, one question:
Table 3:
This seems like a easy lead on the river for value, since he wont be betting much 2 pair combinations here, and they will all call your lead often.
I dont know if your plan was to check/call here to induce many bluffs, but i feel like that is unlikely to happen given that villain would normally barrel the turn with a bluff anyway. And if he isn't betting the turn with air he would just completly give up with his air on the river aswell.
Point is also that I dont think that villain often bets worse hands then you have for value here IP, so you have to rely on bluffs if you plan to ch/c and like I stated/asked earlier I dont think there are many.
He never checks 2 pair on the turn, so what 2 pairs can he have? His range is mostly air that's giving up, so me valuebetting against that makes no sense. And the turn is a horrible card for his air to barrel, bt on the river my check looks weak and he can now represent a Q. Checking to let him rep a queen seems best imo. And if I don't think he'll bluff then I should c/f, still not bet.
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Some thoughts to the "aw shit" hand 
Look, he needs exactly 13.5% equity to call. On the one hand, I completely agree with you, that almost PSB means a strength, but what if he puts us on T9 and top two ? Now he beats top two with two pair JJ+ and Eights. I know it is super unlikely for him to value bet this hand, it is stupid and so on, but you will never know what he thinks.
Therefore he can level himself and make a crying call and hope to see what he wants to see. My opinion is similar, he is almost always betting either air or the nuts, but he has been given such a good price to call, that IMO we can see a hero call from A-high - just to see "what he has". This is especially true, when a guy is a fish, however this one was a multitabling regular.
If you would have known this fact earlier, then you have 100% no brainer fold.
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btw, how do i create a timelink?
Pause the video (has to be the flash player on top of this page, not a downloaded version), then click "comment from timeline". If you've downloaded it, just look at the time, and fast forward in the flash player to it (you can see the time if you mouse over the timebar).
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Some thoughts to the "aw shit" hand 
Look, he needs exactly 13.5% equity to call. On the one hand, I completely agree with you, that almost PSB means a strength, but what if he puts us on T9 and top two ? Now he beats top two with two pair JJ+ and Eights. I know it is super unlikely for him to value bet this hand, it is stupid and so on, but you will never know what he thinks.
Therefore he can level himself and make a crying call and hope to see what he wants to see. My opinion is similar, he is almost always betting either air or the nuts, but he has been given such a good price to call, that IMO we can see a hero call from A-high - just to see "what he has". This is especially true, when a guy is a fish, however this one was a multitabling regular.
If you would have known this fact earlier, then you have 100% no brainer fold.
He won't blast away with a mere overpair like that. He might also still fold it 43% of the time regardless of potodds because putting me on a bluff there is kinda insane. If he bets smaller he's more likely to have an overpair, but also much more likely to have a bluff, so though I give myself a worse price on the bluff, it'll work more often, and it would have been better.
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00:42:02 on 02/07/11: Table one, how would you have played a hand like AJ AQ or suited baby aces there?
The same way, though I might make a crying call with AQ as he might have AJ himself, and the occasional bluff. AJ is a clear fold with no history I think.
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''if you cbet you have to make some kind of move on the turn''
what cards would you bet? how much $?
Probably barrel any 9, board pair/trip and overcard, and c/r the rest. Bet most rivers if he checks back turn. Reason for c/r turn bricks being that he'll bluff all his floats. Reason for barreling the barrel cards is added FE over his bluffcatchers + picked up equity. Reason for bet river if he checks back is that he has a weak hand with showdown value mostly, and a bet check bet line is very credible with 88+ or so for hero to take.
If I don't like my options on the turn I'll c/f flop, which this is pretty close to. I probably would vs the imaginary villain used for the discussion.
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