Grindcore
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Upper right with the A2o vs the manic - you say you don't have the reads to know that he's afraid of Kings yet so you don't barrel, but is that really a read that you need to have directly vs. a fish? i.e. Aren't the vast majority of fish afraid of Kings such that the player population read is strong enough to not need to have observed this specific fish being afraid of Kings in order to barrel profitably? Also, if it's close, betting allows you to gain more information on his reaction to scare cards, which is valuable.
Plus it's not like you'd be barreling with complete air, you have 7 outs and can maybe bluff hearts even.
Super high vpip fish often don't care about what the board is, they'll just blindly call down any pair. Scare cards being scary to them is more true for passive fish.
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Grindcore
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upper right with the 84s, on the flop you said your plan was to barrel on a lot of turn cards. When the turn is a 4 you check back, but that doesn't really give you any showdown value as his flop x/c range is almost always a pair better than 4. But the 4 does give you 5 outs and the potential for repping diamonds on the river and your original plan was to barrel turn cards that gave you equity, so why not barrel here?
I don't check because I hit. I probably just didn't think it's a good barrelingcard.
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Grindcore
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I think I like just flatting the 99 there. Getting 4bet 150BB deep isn't the greatest, guess you just shove vs this guy right? Plus playing deep OOP with this hand on a ton of boards will put you in some very marginal post flop spots. Plus calling allows you to play multiway, 200bb deep with the limper and 150bb deep with the aggro guy with a pp that can also win a lot of pots without hitting the set.
thoughts?
I'm ahead of his range and he's very loose, there's clear value in a 3b. I'm also not worried about being 4b since he isolated the limper to only 3bbs. In a 3way single raised pot I also stand to gain much less with a set than in a 3b pot.
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I don't check because I hit. I probably just didn't think it's a good barrelingcard.
so are you only barreling on spades there? Also don't you think he folds a lot of his medium pairs on the flop given that you are showing a lot of strength cbetting into 2 players, one of which was a 90vpip maniac, making his range more weighted toward Qx+?
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I'm ahead of his range and he's very loose, there's clear value in a 3b. I'm also not worried about being 4b since he isolated the limper to only 3bbs. In a 3way single raised pot I also stand to gain much less with a set than in a 3b pot.
if he does happen to 4bet though how do you respond?
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Grindcore
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so are you only barreling on spades there? Also don't you think he folds a lot of his medium pairs on the flop given that you are showing a lot of strength cbetting into 2 players, one of which was a 90vpip maniac, making his range more weighted toward Qx+?
I don't know I can't remember my reads on the guy and I don't feel like watching the whole video again. Maybe I should have barreled. My cbet does get more credit since I'm cbetting multiway and one of the players is a fish, so just 3barreling might be good regardless of board run-out.
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upper right with the A2s - can't you make that x/r a bit smaller given that he's a 41/8 and unlikely to be paying any attention to your sizing and you are only trying to fold out air?
I'm just targeting air, and you're looking at the wrong HUD stats 
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Super high vpip fish often don't care about what the board is, they'll just blindly call down any pair. Scare cards being scary to them is more true for passive fish.
then why do you barrel the 97 here on AT8rQ after he calls the flop?
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then why do you barrel the 97 here on AT8rQ after he calls the flop?
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Probably because I have more equity and just because he might call down doesn't mean he will. You just have to make your best estimations and go with it.
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upper left with the JTs - you say that he's folded to cbets and now he donks, and this usually means that they hit. But then you float with just a weak gutter. Why aren't we just folding there?
If he donks when he hits then he's likely also donking 9x and weaker pairs against which I have good equity. He'll likely also give off more info about his hand strength on the later streets with his lines and sizing and I'll have plenty of opportunities to take away the pot unimproved.
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Bottom right with T7s - on the river what's the worst hand you'll be calling with?
And what bet size would you have folded to? Say if he had made it ~20 into the pot of 40 to make it look like he was value betting, do you still call anyway because of pot odds since you only have to be good 1/3 of the time?
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