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The Thin Red Grind: Episode Three

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The Thin Red Grind: Episode Three by Grindcore

Grindcore is back with a 4-tabling session at 100nl where he plays like a maniac to test some theories.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Micro/Small Stakes
  • 59 minutes long
  • Posted over 2 years ago

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Grindcore

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Table 1: KK

what would you do if vilain shoved over your cbet ? would you put him on an Ax and fold ? or more on a spazz and call him ?



I can't remember my reads on him anymore. I might be wrong but I don't think he has ever raised post flop? He has just been calling a lot, up to the point where I'd suspect him to even be floating with air. I'd probably fold when he shoves then, as when he's likely calling with air, the shove is more likely to be straight forward.

Table 4: T7

What is your thought process behind the turn c/c ? Is it because of vilain's stats or its a type of play you also make vs TAG ? He bets pretty big on the turn, its not a signe of strenght ?

and for the river call, would you call if vilain didnt autoshove? I mean, did the timing tell is a huge calling factor here ?



He seemed quite loose and he opened from the CO. He has tons of suited stuff in his range. There were lots and lots of draws possible on that board that he probably auto 2nd barrels, so my equity is quite good. The main reason for calling the river was his sizing, but the timing probably also played some part even though I didn't mention it. Regs almost never snap overbet shove for value as overbet shoving is an unusual play, and they'd need some time to think about the merit of it. A snapshove on the river is more likely to be an instinctive attempt at showing strength, meaning he's weak.

Posted about 2 years ago

Grindcore

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Table 1: JJ

You said you checked back for pot control but since the guy is a fish, why not betting for value ? he could call with draws, smaller PP, A5, etc.



But by checking I can induce bluffs. Since the board was big card baby baby, he's more likely to either have me beat, or have air. If it was big medium medium or something I'd be more inclined to cbet as there are likely more worse pairs and less air in his range. Another argument for checking is that I raised really large pre and thus his preflop callingrange is more likely to contain big cards and is thus even more hit/miss on a flop like this.

Posted about 2 years ago

cpau33

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thx! great video so far! I really like it Smile

Posted about 2 years ago

Posiedon

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Loved the video.A few questions:

1) At 14 min bottom left table A9s:You said that you would c/c a hand like back door fd.Why not c/r with it???

2) At 14 min top right table AKo:Why not 3bet pre??Especially since we have been playing agro.

3) At 27 min bottom left table TTGrinid you bet so small on the turn and river to get value from lower pocket pairs???

4) At 33 min bottom right table 67s:Why did you plan on c/shoving the river???Because he can have missed flush draws???But he is a fish and could very well have hands like 89,A8 and even the backdoor flush got there.

5) At 37min top left table 97s hand:When are we calling the flop when there is already a bet and call???

Thanks in advance.

Posted over 1 year ago

Grindcore

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Loved the video.A few questions:

1) At 14 min bottom left table A9s:You said that you would c/c a hand like back door fd.Why not c/r with it???

2) At 14 min top right table AKo:Why not 3bet pre??Especially since we have been playing agro.

3) At 27 min bottom left table TTGrinid you bet so small on the turn and river to get value from lower pocket pairs???

4) At 33 min bottom right table 67s:Why did you plan on c/shoving the river???Because he can have missed flush draws???But he is a fish and could very well have hands like 89,A8 and even the backdoor flush got there.

5) At 37min top left table 97s hand:When are we calling the flop when there is already a bet and call???

Thanks in advance.



Please use the timestamp feature so I can just click on the time instead of having to search for the starting points of the hands myself. Saves me a lot of time if everyone does that themselves instead of me having to do it for everyone else.

1) because we have ok showdownvalue and excellent playability on later streets. We can rep the main FD when it hits and get folds when we bluff, and we'll get called if we hit the backdoor since the main one missed, + decent highcards. Checkraise is fine too, I think calling is just slightly better and also allows me to get reads faster.

2) The pfr was just new to the table.

3) I'll leave his callingrange up to him. He might even call pure air no draw. It's essentially a check, only slightly better.

4) Look at the potsize and stacksizes. It's a really cheap bluff. And every draw missed and he's probably not valuebetting an 8. I can't remember my reads on him, apparently I already had a note on him, so that might be something along the lines of him being bad at valuebetting or something? That's evident from this hand anyway, making a checkshove great since his bets are very unbalanced.

5) When we have good showdown value or decent outs or when we can bluff. I mean, the question is way too broad. Such a decision depends on tons of stuff. I'd probably peel KQ here as weakest draw and probably A2 as weakest pair though that's actually very close considering how horrible of a spot this is for villain to cbet bluff. I wouldn't mind folding up to A7 or so here.

Posted over 1 year ago

Posiedon

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Please use the timestamp feature so I can just click on the time instead of having to search for the starting points of the hands myself. Saves me a lot of time if everyone does that themselves instead of me having to do it for everyone else.



i understand but i watch the videos offline and my DC subscription is on another account (given by my affiliate) so i cant us the timestamp feature...sorry.

1) because we have ok showdownvalue and excellent playability on later streets. We can rep the main FD when it hits and get folds when we bluff, and we'll get called if we hit the backdoor since the main one missed, + decent highcards. Checkraise is fine too, I think calling is just slightly better and also allows me to get reads faster.



understood.

2) The pfr was just new to the table.



my bad...i didnt notice that.

3) I'll leave his callingrange up to him. He might even call pure air no draw. It's essentially a check, only slightly better.

4) Look at the potsize and stacksizes. It's a really cheap bluff. And every draw missed and he's probably not valuebetting an 8. I can't remember my reads on him, apparently I already had a note on him, so that might be something along the lines of him being bad at valuebetting or something? That's evident from this hand anyway, making a checkshove great since his bets are very unbalanced.



5) When we have good showdown value or decent outs or when we can bluff. I mean, the question is way too broad. Such a decision depends on tons of stuff. I'd probably peel KQ here as weakest draw and probably A2 as weakest pair though that's actually very close considering how horrible of a spot this is for villain to cbet bluff. I wouldn't mind folding up to A7 or so here.



thnx for the answers.

Posted over 1 year ago

Allermand_DK

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Time Link to 00:13:48

Thanks for great videos, what is the difference/reasoning for calling his shove with 77+ and not 22-66??

Posted over 1 year ago

Grindcore

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Thanks for great videos, what is the difference/reasoning for calling his shove with 77+ and not 22-66??



He could be jamming 22-66 himself.

Posted over 1 year ago

Allermand_DK

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Time Link to 00:33:01

Hey Grindcore. Can you explain on btm left why you say what the fold is good, but after you said that when he pots you're gonna ch shove on him, you're ip, I'm confused?

Thanks..

Posted over 1 year ago

Grindcore

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Hey Grindcore. Can you explain on btm left why you say what the fold is good, but after you said that when he pots you're gonna ch shove on him, you're ip, I'm confused?

Thanks..



I think I missed some punctuation there. The check shove part was aimed at table 4, everything up to then at table 3.

Posted over 1 year ago

Ass Get to Jigglin

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Time Link to 00:23:25

upper left with the K5o. You seem to be basing a lot of your play against the maniac on the assumption that you have a very strong grasp on his tendencies - that he donks when he hits and checks when he's weak. But this assumption isn't based off a lot of showdowns, just one so far. Isn't it entirely possible that he's very random and changes up his lines frequently following no predictable pattern? If so, then might it be better to play a tad tighter that you were vs. him to compensate for the times that your assumption that he donks when he hits and checks when he misses is wrong?

Posted over 1 year ago

Ass Get to Jigglin

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Time Link to 00:28:35

Upper right with the A2o vs the manic - you say you don't have the reads to know that he's afraid of Kings yet so you don't barrel, but is that really a read that you need to have directly vs. a fish? i.e. Aren't the vast majority of fish afraid of Kings such that the player population read is strong enough to not need to have observed this specific fish being afraid of Kings in order to barrel profitably? Also, if it's close, betting allows you to gain more information on his reaction to scare cards, which is valuable.

Plus it's not like you'd be barreling with complete air, you have 7 outs and can maybe bluff hearts even.

Posted over 1 year ago

Ass Get to Jigglin

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Time Link to 00:48:06

upper right with the 84s, on the flop you said your plan was to barrel on a lot of turn cards. When the turn is a 4 you check back, but that doesn't really give you any showdown value as his flop x/c range is almost always a pair better than 4. But the 4 does give you 5 outs and the potential for repping diamonds on the river and your original plan was to barrel turn cards that gave you equity, so why not barrel here?

Posted over 1 year ago

Ass Get to Jigglin

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Time Link to 00:49:32

I think I like just flatting the 99 there. Getting 4bet 150BB deep isn't the greatest, guess you just shove vs this guy right? Plus playing deep OOP with this hand on a ton of boards will put you in some very marginal post flop spots. Plus calling allows you to play multiway, 200bb deep with the limper and 150bb deep with the aggro guy with a pp that can also win a lot of pots without hitting the set.

thoughts?

Posted over 1 year ago

Grindcore

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upper left with the K5o. You seem to be basing a lot of your play against the maniac on the assumption that you have a very strong grasp on his tendencies - that he donks when he hits and checks when he's weak. But this assumption isn't based off a lot of showdowns, just one so far. Isn't it entirely possible that he's very random and changes up his lines frequently following no predictable pattern? If so, then might it be better to play a tad tighter that you were vs. him to compensate for the times that your assumption that he donks when he hits and checks when he misses is wrong?



Fish tend to be very consistent with this. One showdown is enough to base your entire play on. If he changes it up, take a new note that he's just clicking random buttons and in that case you have to play tighter as you just have to make a good hand and win at showdown to beat him.

Posted over 1 year ago




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