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Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players - View hand 326016
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Hero (BTN): $311.95
SB: $282.55
BB: $195.60
CO: $200.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN with K J
CO raises to $6, Hero calls $6, 2 folds

Flop: ($15.00) 7 3 J (2 players)
CO requests TIME, CO bets $10, Hero calls $10

Turn: ($35.00) 3 (2 players)
CO requests TIME, CO bets $28, Hero calls $28

River: ($91.00) 4 (2 players)
CO requests TIME, CO bets $70, Hero folds

16/13/25% aggrf over 170 hands

So, I've called a lot of pots IP vs him and also 3-betted him a lot. My image is definitely around 28/24 on that table and my range is very wide here. I put him on recognizing this, although his stats seem a bit weakish.

His bets very rather slowly. He considered a long time for each bet. At the flop, I thought, it could just be a bluff, at the turn, I still liked my hand too much.

But at the river, even considering that he could put me on a lot of pockets which I should fold, I felt like folding would be better. Would he really press the timebank button and then make a biggish bet against an often J in my hand? Especially when I've been aggressive, loose and not that fold-likely? Don't guess so.

This player is not really a TAG, it's close to a nit and you beat nits by outnitting them, thus I would fold turn. You beat a bluff or JT/QJ that he may even just check to you given how dry the board is if you are rarely folding to flop cbets, at the same time you lose to AJ,QQ/KK/AA,77 and the unlikely 33. Also the timing request is in my opinion a rather strong tell, he never has a difficult decision to make on this type of board texture, however I have not played on Stars and Full Tilt enough to have an accurate read on it.

I'd fold the turn for the reasons dj_mercury mentioned, but if I did call the turn it would be to call a river like this.

Preflop: Depending on how wide a range the very tight player open from the CO I think I prefer to 3-bet or fold KJo. Against a player with a tight range you do not want to call with a lot of hands - even IP unless he is c-betting way too much or have other obvious leaks. That said we are 4-handed and he could be playing a reasonable range and in that case calling with KJo is very standard.

FLOP: We flop a strong bluff catcher and a pretty happy to bluff catch when villain c-bet. Raising here make little sense because we can't really expect him to call with enough worse hands. Folding does not make sense since we can expect him to be betting worse for value and c-bet a fair amount of hands as a bluff.

TURN: The turn is a brick. We can't expect villain to be c-betting JT, QJ for value 100% of the time and the 3 is a pretty big brick.

If villain is betting the turn with:

JJ+, 77, 33, AJs, A3s, AsKs, AsQs, AsTs, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As2s, KJs, KsQs, KsTs, QsTs, T9s, Ts8s, 98s, 8s7s, 7s6s, 6s5s, 5s4s

We have 42.59% equity and can call. Depending on have many draws villain is betting our equity goes up or down. If we assume that he is only betting the turn with flush draws and his value range we have 36%

The problem with calling the turn is that we don't really know what to do if the river bricks and villain bets. With 36% equity there is not room for many mistakes on the river.

RIVER: One of the worst card in the deck. Time to fold. We can only call here if we include a fair amount of air in villains range for betting the turn and he is not betting most fds on the turn.

wow, thanks. Sounds logical. So, it's all about his turn behaviour.

I feel like that these stats are totally wrong, though. I've played so many pots against him, whether he limped òr raised and I called or raised and I 3-betted. I just don't know anymore. If I knew exactly, I would feel better about having posted this hand.

Anyway, thanks for your answers.

wow, thanks. Sounds logical. So, it's all about his turn behaviour.

I feel like that these stats are totally wrong, though. I've played so many pots against him, whether he limped òr raised and I called or raised and I 3-betted. I just don't know anymore. If I knew exactly, I would feel better about having posted this hand.

Anyway, thanks for your answers.

Well what you can see is that he needs to have a ton of air for us to be able to call the river. Especially if he is still valuebetting AJ+

Within the session, I felt more like that I had to estimate how often he would bluff flop + turn because of the action. But as it would've been his first backplay anyways, I decided to simply fold that river.

How can we call pf with KJo as a bluff catcher if we're not happy calling the turn with it? Since. Villain is weak tight we shouldn't expect him to have too much air when barrelling on such a dry board. I think because of our recent history, a weak tight villain will not three barrel as a bluff.

Also, the time banking almost seems like he's mass multi tabling which is all the more reason to believe he has the goods.

Without an idea of his double barreling I would prefer to 3bet preflop

I'm just. Confused about why we would call KJo here as a bluff catcher vs this villain. Can someone please explain? Thanks in advance for replies

4 handed in the cutoff wider range than perhaps the stats indicate KJo does ok againts a wide range i guess. But id def prefer a 3bet or fold approach esp if blinds are squeeze happy.

Yeah after thinking about it some more I realize that villain is probably opening wider from the co. So another question I have is, should we bluff catch when villain is only suspected to Cbet too much? Or do we also need to suspect him of double barreling too much?

In other words, do we need to be able to bluff catch 2 streets on a dry board to make it profitable? Or is just getting one street of value ok?