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Running the Streets: Episode Eleven

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Running the Streets: Episode Eleven by shuttle

Shuttle goes solo this week and talks about cold 4-betting.

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Have you ever found yourself in a spot where you know your opponent's range, but you still don't know the best play? If so, then this series is for you! We will show you how to determine the optimal lines in tough situations AFTER you have already assigned your opponent's range.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Micro/Small Stakes
  • 59 minutes long
  • Posted over 2 years ago

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shuttle

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Time Link to 00:50:15

Something that should be said about this hand is that BB snap shoved.
This is quite relevant imo and I think it makes a bluff less likely.

Getting it in here is probably going to be fine vs an aggressive regular in the BB, but the point I'm trying to make is that snap shoving because the absolute hand strength is high is a bad way to reason about the hand. I feel as though there are many spots like this where it is closer than it first appears and the big mistake is not going to be shoving or folding, but snap shoving or folding.

Posted over 2 years ago

TheBeardofZEUS

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Time Link to 00:37:54

Just signed up for a full membership recently and came across this video, sorry if this comment is a little behind the times.

Is this calculation of our overall equity with 42o assuming we fold to a shove from any player, and the equity of our other hands assuming we call a shove from any player?

Also Can we ignore the times that multiple people get it it here against us since it will be happening so infrequently? Say if we 4 bet to $595 here, loose limper shoves for 1k, BB calls for $900 total, we would be getting ~400:2500 or 6.25:1 to call, and 42o against QQ+/KK+ and QQ+/KK+ is getting very close to those odds to call. (This too is ignoring the side pot created which should be close to negligible)

Posted over 2 years ago

TheBeardofZEUS

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actually I'm not sure if the side pot is negligible because if we consider only the main pot in that situation or $900+$900+$595=$2395 with $305 to call we are getting around 7.85:1 and with 13% equity should definitely be calling. for an average profit of (.13)($2700)-$300 = $51. Then we have 14% equity in the $200 pot where we put in $100 which gives us an EV of (.14)($200)-$100 = -$72 for a total EV of -$21. SO the extra $100 that the loose limper would have turns a call from a small positive to an even smaller negative assuming they have very tight ranges.

So i guess I come back to assuming that we always fold 42o and always call AJs when the money goes in here?

Posted over 2 years ago

dc_01

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Time Link to 00:17:27

I'm wondering for a situation when the open-raiser has 100bb and the 3bettor is shorterstacked (lets say 40bb) if option1 has a higher EV than option2 for some hands like AQs, AJs or TT.

Option1: cold4bet/fold vs the openraiser but get it in vs the shorter stack
Option2: cold4bet all-in

I tried to find an answer using CardrunnersEV but I get different answers everytime I do an EV run.

What do you think?

(English isn't my first language so I hope you understand everything)

Posted over 2 years ago

shuttle

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If we have a situation where the original raiser is 100+bb deep effective and the 3bettor is short then 4betting smaller is probably going to be a good idea. If it's a HU situation or if both stacks are shallow then I think shoving is better usually (there are cases where this isn't true but for the most part it is).

The main reason why shoving is usually fine is because we have a different bluffing ratio vs this stacksize than a 100bb stack, as a default we will be bluffing this stacksize less often because we cannot leverage the stack as effectively as a deeper stack. If you find these opponents folding a lot then you can go smaller with the betsizing with the intention of folding to the original raiser. Once again the best betsize is going to depend on the ranges which people are stacking off with preflop and the gap between the range they made their first raise with.

Posted over 2 years ago




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