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simpleme

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Villain is 57 7 with a 63% fold to flop cbet over 50 hands

IPoker Network $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 239987
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Hero (CO): $100.00
BTN: $107.60
SB: $147.36
BB: $100.00
UTG: $101.52

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with Q Spade J Spade
1 fold, Hero raises to $3, BTN calls $3, 2 folds

Flop: ($6.50) 3 Club A Diamond Q Club (2 players)
Hero bets $5, BTN calls $5

Turn: ($17.50) 2 Spade (2 players)
Hero bets $12.00 BTN calls $12

River: ($41.50) 9 Spade (2 players)
Hero bets $24.00, BTN calls $24

Posted almost 4 years ago

Onraad

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if you're 100% sure he has a missed draw i don't see the point in valuebetting, what could he have to call with?

Posted almost 4 years ago

simpleme

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if you're 100% sure he has a missed draw i don't see the point in valuebetting, what could he have to call with?



Obviously i'm not 100M sure he missed a draw, but I think it's a big part of his range,

On the other hand, I can also represent a missed draw and this makes him call the 66-JJ part of his range (would love to get some input on this)

Posted almost 4 years ago

TecmoSuperBowl

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When we make bets, we have a reason for doing so. What is the reason you are betting this river?

Posted almost 4 years ago

Justice88

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Obviously i'm not 100M sure he missed a draw, but I think it's a big part of his range,

On the other hand, I can also represent a missed draw and this makes him call the 66-JJ part of his range (would love to get some input on this)



Most aren't calling w/ 66-JJ here without a decent read, half of this range is likely giving up on turn as it is

He's a fish most likely, and could easily have Ax/KQ. He may not have as many draws as you think. River bet just gets weird to me, curious on your thinking/sizing, it seems thin even against his river calling range

Posted almost 4 years ago

SCS

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I don't see the point in value betting if you think villain has a missed draw.

I do see the point in value betting if you think villain thinks that you have a missed draw.

How often is a 57/7 fish thinking about this? Not often.

Posted almost 4 years ago

simpleme

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How often is a 57/7 fish thinking about this? Not often.



true

Posted almost 4 years ago

IwantSmirnoff

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Value betting vs a missed draw is terrible and nonesense for obv reasons

If you put him on a missed draw it's an obv CC instead of bet

and by saying that by means do i mean that you should bet this river, just CF, youll get a check back a lot of the time and his betting range has you dominated

Posted almost 4 years ago

slipp3ry333

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On a 57% VPIP I'm happy getting 2 streets of value with 2ndPTK but prolly not 3.

If you are convinced he has a FD I think a lot of the FD calling range is going to include AXc, it's a small sample but his fold to cbet is high.

I don't think there is much value in your bet and I don't think your going to push him off any Ax hand.

Posted almost 4 years ago




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