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TPTK faces flop raise


reemas

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villain is a reg. plays around 23/19 and is a slight winner. a few days ago, the only hand i could recall was when i opened AKs CO he 3B TT BU, and we got it in. seems kinda standard so maybe there's not much info there.

i am a little lost here. i think his range on the flop could be 22,88,JJ,QQ (might raise this pre given positions), T9, maybe a low PP or some KJ occasionally?

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

Hero (MP): $101.50
CO: $100.00
BTN: $123.10
SB: $47.40
BB: $100.00
UTG: $117.70

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP with J Diamond A Heart
1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, 1 fold, BTN calls $3.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($8.50) 8 Club J Spade 2 Spade (2 players)
Hero requests TIME, Hero bets $6, BTN raises to $16, Hero requests TIME, Hero calls $10

Turn: ($40.50) 2 Club (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN requests TIME, BTN bets $20, Hero requests TIME, Hero raises to $82 all in


what do you think about the flop and turn lines? what type of factors should we consider here given that he's raising this flop?

Posted over 1 year ago

DONATIONBOX

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Flop play seems fine. It's one of those slightly ahead or way behind situation. Turn card is great, as it reduces number of his value combos. If you feel confident that the villain is betting turn alot with big draw, I think shoving is fine. One thing to consider is if the villain is capable of flatting preflop with QQ+. If he has a history of doing it, I think your turn shove becomes bit thin.

Posted over 1 year ago

jonathanjcr

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On this particular turn card, what value hands does he have? He only has 5 value combos that you lose to, MAYBE QQ+ some super small percentage of the time given he's 3betting TT. His range is almost entirely draws and hands you beat, so what do you gain by raising the turn? He's folding all of his draws unless he's on tilt or something. My plan would be to call the turn and a safe river.

Posted over 1 year ago

Sugar Nut

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There are spots where taking it down with the best hand can be a good play. Not saying this is nessecarily one of them. Could be though. What's villain's raise cbet %?

Posted over 1 year ago

reemas

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There are spots where taking it down with the best hand can be a good play. Not saying this is nessecarily one of them. Could be though. What's villain's raise cbet %?



i think it was about 16%. not sure if that helps.

Posted over 1 year ago

Sugar Nut

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i think it was about 16%. not sure if that helps.


Any piece of information helps, especially a player's raise flop cbet % in a hand in which he raised a flop cbet Wink.

It's neither particularly high nor particularly low. I guess you can go either way here. I tend to favor call-calling here a bit with the top of my bluffcatching range, just to get a better read on his ranges.

Posted over 1 year ago

Prologion

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Only wanna to throw in that though the turncard reduces his Valuecombos, it coulo also decrease dratically his bluffingfrequency on the turn (given how he thinks about it...)

Posted over 1 year ago

reemas

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Only wanna to throw in that though the turncard reduces his Valuecombos, it coulo also decrease dratically his bluffingfrequency on the turn (given how he thinks about it...)



good point actually. any ideas on what a bet of that size means on a turn like this?

Posted over 1 year ago

jubinator

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I am happy just to get it in here on the turn. Most regs are not going to be flatting QQ+ very often at all. If we had AA/KK I would be alot happier to check call turn and check call safe rivers as there is less chance that he will turn his bluff into the best hand

Posted over 1 year ago

Prologion

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good point actually. any ideas on what a bet of that size means on a turn like this?



Oh, even did not notice this before - somewhat strange.
The riverpotsize would be 80$ and you would have eff. about 60$ left -> so his betsize is enough to set up a riverjam.
Should he have a boat, protection is not important for him -> he could use this betsize to let you come in, which is incredible obv. after one observation but it makes atm for me most sense...

Posted over 1 year ago




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