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villain 23/18 3bet 7% (BB 13%) aggression 3.4

very standard villain so far. nothing special to note about him.

for calling a 4bet IP I would assign him the possible range of AT+,77-99, some SC´s, but thats probably impossible to say accurately.

I am not sure If I would have checked the turn no matter how. probably yes to give him the chance to bluff. The A is the worst card in the deck. He checks behind the turn, so I do give him some SD value. He pushes the river now and I dont see myself being in front often enough here to make the call.

Full Tilt Poker $200.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 936691
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CO: $285.90
BTN: $66.95
Hero (SB): $200.00
BB: $390.00
UTG: $200.00
MP: $218.85

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is SB with K K
4 folds, Hero raises to $6, BB raises to $18, Hero raises to $41, BB calls $23

Flop: ($82.00) J J 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $34.00, BB calls $34

Turn: ($150.00) A (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

River: ($150.00) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $315.00

Call 4bet pre = fish.

Why do you bet so small on the flop? I had made it like $50 and shipped the rest on any (!) turn.

If he flatted the 4b with AA - so what, take a note that he´s even a bigger fish than expected at first and recognize that you were destined to lose your stack anyway.

Call 4bet pre = fish.

Why do you bet so small on the flop? I had made it like $50 and shipped the rest on any (!) turn.

If he flatted the 4b with AA - so what, take a note that he´s even a bigger fish than expected at first and recognize that you were destined to lose your stack anyway.

I wouldnt just say "fish", thats a lil too inaccurate tackle....I mean calling a 4bet IP is probably not the greattest idea, but I could imagine it gives some 4betting regs a hard time still.

I dont bet bigger, because I simply dont need to. I wuould bet the same amount with AIR and NUTZ obv. Just a leverage thing. By betting smaller here I also give him the chance to bluff (he should be thinking he still has FE).

By betting smaller here I also give him the chance to bluff (he should be thinking he still has FE).

Why do you think he'd ever try to bluff you in a 4B pot? It would be insanely suicidal from him to take a hand like 88 or TT and turn it into a bluff to get you off QQ+. The only case where this would make just a little bit of sense is if he had AQ and he'll get you off AK. Even then, we're like creating a very specific situation to defend this statement.

I think bet sizing is a tiny bit too small. I like your first statement about that you'd make the same bet size with air.

I'd bet like 42 on the flop and ship any turn including this one.

Oh by the way, fold the river. I doubt this is a bluff and his range is quite strong on this board.

Why do you think he'd ever try to bluff you in a 4B pot? It would be insanely suicidal from him to take a hand like 88 or TT and turn it into a bluff to get you off QQ+. The only case where this would make just a little bit of sense is if he had AQ and he'll get you off AK. Even then, we're like creating a very specific situation to defend this statement.

I think bet sizing is a tiny bit too small. I like your first statement about that you'd make the same bet size with air.

I'd bet like 42 on the flop and ship any turn including this one.

why do you wanna shove an A turn here? Do you think we get called by worse here? I mean you could argue that he might think we take this card as a bluffing card, therefore calldown lighter. BUT I very often have Ax if I 4bet bluffed him pre. You could argue that he should know that too, so why shove?

Villain is not bluffing the river. The Ax is definitely part of his range or even better (slow played trips J or FH TTs on river). I would have 4bet bigger pre $45 and Cbet bigger the flop. Once we get called on the flop and the A hit the turn, I dont really like the situation.

Anybody else check/raising flop here? We pretty much stack off vs. any hand villain calls with regardless and the check/raise picks up dead money from whatever his "air" is here.

Anybody else check/raising flop here? We pretty much stack off vs. any hand villain calls with regardless and the check/raise picks up dead money from whatever his "air" is here.

I really dont see Villain betting this flop in a 4bet pot. He will often check back imo except if he is a super aggro type of dude

I really dont see Villain betting this flop in a 4bet pot. He will often check back imo except if he is a super aggro type of dude

That doesn't seem like a significant problem considering an Ace is the only card we don't wont to see on the turn and we can easily get our money in over 2 streets. I'm really not sure an Ax type hand checks back, because it's still behind AK and TT type hands at showdown.

C/r flop is bad because if villain is even somewhat decent, he would never be betting this flop if we check, even with his air, because he has no FE on the flop. When you check, you would always be c/c or c/r.

He checks back all A high/pair,gutters.

You lose to JJ, 99, AQ, TT, AJs, AK, AQ here, too wide a range.

But with the river overbet I think you can rule out AK/AQ/AT as no way he overbets these for value. That leaves boats/quads and a small amount of air. Don't think you are good anywhere near enough of the time to call.

Why wouldn't he overbet Ax for value? Ax is value betting vs. the same hands boats and quads are, assuming hero never checks when the ace turns with an ace in hand (and he shouldn't IMO).

imo a small c-bet will induce a bluff shove from Ax/KQ type hands way more than a check will induce a bluff..and it's sucky to miss value from 88-QQ since he could check those back.

Why wouldn't he overbet Ax for value? Ax is value betting vs. the same hands boats and quads are, assuming hero never checks when the ace turns with an ace in hand (and he shouldn't IMO).

With Ax whats he trying to get value from exactly with that overbet ? KK, QQ, and AQ if he has AK. Too thin to justify an overbet when a smaller bet will result in many more crying calls than the times you fold that same range to an overbet. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't think he would overbet Ax at all in this spot.

And I think its definitely possible for hero to check all Ax apart from maybe AK in this spot. Why shouldn't he check Ax in this spot ? If we had Ax, we'd only be getting 2 streets of value from hands we beat anyway.

bet bigger on the flop for value imo. and im not folding on the flop.