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Hey guys, this hand looks pretty uninteresting at the first glance (though my gut already felt pretty uncomfortable on the river) but when thinking longer and longer about this spot doubts arose on my play. What do you think?

My image is pretty clean, playing 20/18, not having gotten out of line so far (though not sure, if Villain is aware of that - at least he plays only one table), Villain - despite a small sample of 35 hands so far - seems to be pretty aggressive as well preflop (38/28) as postflop (AF = 10.0). I flatted QQ because Villain as well as SB were rather sqz-happy and I hoped I could take down a juicy pot pre or get it in against some wide sqz-range (unfortunately nobody did me the favor to squeeze). Comments on that as well?

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players

SB: $200.00
BB: $385.70
UTG: $200.00
Hero (CO): $211.00
BTN: $977.75

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is CO with Q Q
UTG raises to $7, Hero calls $7, BTN calls $7, SB calls $6, 1 fold

Flop: ($30.00) T Q 9 (4 players)
SB requests TIME, SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $25, BTN calls $25, SB folds, UTG folds

Turn: ($80.00) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $55, BTN calls $55

River: ($190.00) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $124 all in

Not sure I follow. Everything looks super standard. What else are you going to do on the river with top set? Is your question about the river or the preflop call? BTW, I think flatting here with QQ pre is totally fine.

Not sure I follow. Everything looks super standard. What else are you going to do on the river with top set? Is your question about the river or the preflop call? BTW, I think flatting here with QQ pre is totally fine.

The river is what I´m thinking about - what´s his range? What does my range look to him?

His range probably consists of a lot of pair + draws (JT, JJ, maybe KK or AA). Whatever it is, it's something that he thinks has showdown value.

Your range is probably QJ+ and wouldn't expect you to have many bluffs in your range in this spot. QJ might be a little thin to shove in this spot, so maybe KQ+?

Sorry if you ran into KJ.

Villains's range is pretty much 2 pairs, sets or the nutz

It really doesn't matter as we essentially have the second nuts (he shouldn't ever have J8). This is fine to think of as an exercise, but we shouldn't be thinking about anything other than shoving the river.

Your perceived range on the river is imo most of the time in this spot 99, TT, QQ and AQ (AQ = before shoving) + sometimes flatted AA/KK preflop as MPvsUTG.

His range can be:
Not QTs (!) b/c you block in fact everything here - I would not assume he overcalls pre QTo without reads.
TT, 99,KJs,(maybe few combos KJo), J8s (maybe) and then QJs, KQ, T9s

I mean,
when he is always folding to 100% on the river KQ, QJs, T9s..., then your valueshove becomes thin.
But,
he seems to be after the 1st few hands strange (maybe he is a fish), so he will maybe call these hand on the river with a Non-0%-probabilit.

So I would shove here as well.
But yeah,
I see that you do not feel 100% happy on the river b/c when he calls it will be imo a decent amount sowplayed str8s here.

no need to ch-call here, since he won`t turn his weak made hands into bluffs imo, not too many draws as well that call flop + turn (that don`t have a pair, aka SDValue). Basicly when you shove the river, you rep really strong hand, pretty polorized range - so he has a ton of bluffcatcher (KQ and AQ for him essentially are almost equual bluffcatchers as any pairs +SD like JT), so just jam it in and let him make a decidison.
Betting any other amount other than allin seems silly.

If you posted here because you are worried about him having KJ, than GTFO, yes he is gonna have it sometimes(and even than he will raise the flop or the turn, to prevet actionkillers some decent % time), but there is SOOOO much value in jamming to get called by worse on the river its not even close

i mean i love the line, if you ran into a flopped st8 then tip your hat.

no need to ch-call here, since he won`t turn his weak made hands into bluffs imo, not too many draws as well that call flop + turn (that don`t have a pair, aka SDValue). Basicly when you shove the river, you rep really strong hand, pretty polorized range - so he has a ton of bluffcatcher (KQ and AQ for him essentially are almost equual bluffcatchers as any pairs +SD like JT), so just jam it in and let him make a decidison.
Betting any other amount other than allin seems silly.

If you posted here because you are worried about him having KJ, than GTFO, yes he is gonna have it sometimes(and even than he will raise the flop or the turn, to prevet actionkillers some decent % time), but there is SOOOO much value in jamming to get called by worse on the river its not even close

Not saying that jamming river is here not my play.


But tell me plz some bluffcombos (remember: Hero is 4-way on the flop)

Your perceived range on the river is imo most of the time in this spot 99, TT, QQ and AQ (AQ = before shoving) + sometimes flatted AA/KK preflop as MPvsUTG.

His range can be:
Not QTs (!) b/c you block in fact everything here - I would not assume he overcalls pre QTo without reads.
TT, 99,KJs,(maybe few combos KJo), J8s (maybe) and then QJs, KQ, T9s

I mean,
when he is always folding to 100% on the river KQ, QJs, T9s..., then your valueshove becomes thin.
But,
he seems to be after the 1st few hands strange (maybe he is a fish), so he will maybe call these hand on the river with a Non-0%-probabilit.

So I would shove here as well.
But yeah,
I see that you do not feel 100% happy on the river b/c when he calls it will be imo a decent amount sowplayed str8s here.

Very, very good analysis! That´s exactly what I wanted to hear.

This is fine to think of as an exercise, ...

Actually it was more of an exercise than a real question. I just wanted to point out - as Prologion amazingly well analysed - that in case he calls us, KJ is much more likely for him than anything else. Nothing we could do about it though ...