zenben
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What kind of note would you take on this villain who raised the small cbet on T92tt multiway with 2nd pair top kicker? Something like "May ch/raise flops with non-polarized range?"
You mentioned he could be doing it for protection, but I don't think I've ever seen a ch/R for protection multiway, simply because it's too dangerous to allow the pot to ch around. Also, if it was for protection, wouldn't he have bet the turn (I know he never bets turns, but that suggests to me it's not a ch/R for protection). Maybe Any idea what he's thinking here? I really liked your explanation of adjusting to his lack of 2 barrels. How should we change the way we play FLOPS against this player given he is capable of check raising with this hand?
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inavacuum
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What kind of note would you take on this villain who raised the small cbet on T92tt multiway with 2nd pair top kicker? Something like "May ch/raise flops with non-polarized range?"
You mentioned he could be doing it for protection, but I don't think I've ever seen a ch/R for protection multiway, simply because it's too dangerous to allow the pot to ch around. Also, if it was for protection, wouldn't he have bet the turn (I know he never bets turns, but that suggests to me it's not a ch/R for protection). Maybe Any idea what he's thinking here? I really liked your explanation of adjusting to his lack of 2 barrels. How should we change the way we play FLOPS against this player given he is capable of check raising with this hand?
I think he checks the turn because what would be the point of betting? If I am on a draw he has the best hand most of the time, but it kinda sucks to risk me shoving my draw. If I don't have a draw then I clearly have him beat and his bet doesn't serve any purpose. When he checks he's essentially playing perfectly vs my range. His raise on the flop is non-standard and only typical of the exact situation he is in. By that I mean I don't think he's going to be taking this line often and as such I wouldn't make any adjustments because we've seen him do this, because he won't be doing it in many spots at all.
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Hi inavacuum.
Couple of comments on T2928 busted flop fd hand.
1. Given that $28 is a pot sized flop c/r for regular. I agree with your assessment that it is weak made hands as his range. It would appear that $16 is a bet designed to isolate the 30bb stack and his c-bet.
I think this is confirmed that he just checks over the turn to you.
2. I agree that you should bet the turn.
3. But I do not agree that you should not v-bet the river.
Whilst it is true that he does not have many worse hands to call - he also has very few better hands ever in his range. I dont think he can ever have a FHs, and I dont think QJ is going to c/r into 4 players with a 30bb c-bettor.
Villian might easily think that you might take a freecard with your draws on the turn because that 2 is probably one of the worst cards to semibluff with.
So you can still have draws from which he can bluffcatch on the river.
And so if you are checking back to avoid being bluffed - well if he only ever has like quad 2s - as his value c/r river range - then we just bet/call river.
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Please bring the series back!! I loved it. Analytically it was incredible. Inavacuum often asked about cards that I never considered and it really opened my eyes to a more profound approach to the game. I feel like I get stuck in ABC poker and this has been so refreshing. Thanks Inavacuum.
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Would you balance your turn donking range on such board? Or is this such a seldom situation and such a seldom potcontrolling tag that you would just do this for pure value (AQ, maybe KQ, 2pair) and not with draws? I guess most of the time they wouldn´t find out if you do so.
It's a rare situation so we only need to balance as regards how he views us and if he will adjust. We don't really need to lead draws on the turn if we're always going to be freerolled to the river (obviously we should lead them sometimes for obvious equity/pot building/FE, but we can basically view it as though we are in position and act appropriately). If we decide we want to bluff we're probably best off check raising the flop and deciding from there.
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Thanks for your quick response!
Love your videos and this series, it helped me a lot at improving my poker game. Those videos showed me some new aspects I didn´t took care of, e.g. always trying to keep the fish in the pot! 
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ATs hand.
Turn is a bet but checking is not that bad obviosly when we have a nut draw.
However, the river is a super easy value bet in my opinion.
Please note that he has tons of worse made hands.. KT QT JT A9 just to name a few. With the busted flush draw out there and the fact that the way you played this hand represents a flush draw really well I cant believe you checked it down and even think that you should check it down.
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You said that you want bet turn and call his probable shove because you think he can bluff/semibluff but don't you think that you must have a very good read on villain to follow this line?
No I don't. But it's a great time to get one.
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