ohjoy
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Guy is a pretty average tight kind of player. I think he's a small winner. I'm not impressed by his play, and I have noted a couple of his tendencies. He calls down fairly light postflop, and his turn bets are pretty strong. Maybe I should checkraise flop for value?
My image should be kind of loose, but I'm not crazy. I cracked his AA with JT in a 3bet pot on J94s. I called flop + turn, binked T on the river and called his shove, but I don't think that's very relevant.
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $2(BB) IPoker
SB ($118)
Hero ($209)
UTG ($116)
CO ($226)
BTN ($559)
Dealt to Hero Q
A
fold, CO raises to $6, fold, fold, Hero calls $4
FLOP ($13) 7
2
A
Hero checks, CO bets $10, Hero calls $10
TURN ($33) 7
2
A
J
Hero checks, CO checks
RIVER ($33) 7
2
A
J
T
Hero?
What line could/should I be taking here?
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TheGeek
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To be honest I'm not really sure about the best line on the river, but I really like check raising the flop. Your check raise is going to look really full of shit a lot on this board texture as you're only really repping 77/22 for value and probably a lot of draws, so if he's one to call down lightly that probably means he's naturally suspicious and will few your check raise as very strange. You've got a shit tonne of equity and he can play back at you lightly or even with air, so I really like a flop check raise.
As for the river, I think its pretty hard to bet for value, and I'm not crazy about check calling because villain isn't likely to bet thinly for value or bluff too often in this spot (is he?), so can we check fold?
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AstonMartin
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what about leading the turn ? people are rarely betting twice on this kind of board, and if he has some kind of SD or draw he will call, or might even raise with pair of A if he has one, u said he calls down pretty light postflop so i think leading the turn is viable option, i think as played beting is the only option
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TecmoSuperBowl
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mstthngsbrk
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I think given your read CRing flop is a good idea here. Since you have the draw you can take a really daft line and try to induce some playback/light calldown from him.
Since you said when he bets the turn he's strong, I prefer leading it as I presume strong means better than AQ. Board has gotten about drawy enough that he could consider floating a turn lead.
That said, I play it like you did a lot and depending on whether villain always has one more go here or not I check/call or lead myself. The way the board came out, looks pretty bad for your midpairs to him and he might have another go or value cut himself with Jx/worse Ax. Checking also protects the 88 type parts of your range which is a small benefit.
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Steppin Razor
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Preflop is fine, but a 3bet would be good too. Depends on relevant stats or history.
I definitely CR that flop. If he calls down light, then he calls CRes light most likely (considering that CR requires him to have ventured money into the pot). And then you can barrel the turn with your obvious diamond draw, and then barrel riv or induce.
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terp
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either action can be best preflop and since you didn't ask for discussion i'll assume you're comfortable with calling being best in this spot
c/r flop is a good line, esp if you want to attack him oop. this is a board where he's valuebetting a lot of combos that can bluffcatch and you're not repping much by c/r. if he's particularly barrel happy, calling rises in value, but most people are not firing three on this board, whereas he might call a c/r and call down (or even just call flop and turn) and this already will net you a ton of value.
as played on river...pretty standard b/f. while you can rationalize that he'd bet clubs on the turn, it's more likely he'd check clubs on the turn than that he'd bluffraise river w/o more info.
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halvadron
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bet-fold > Ch/call > ch-fold > any other options
obv it depends on how light he`ll call you down, and how thin of a vbettor he is.
The only interesting part of this hand i think is betsizing on the river, i guess like 24$ is good? our problem is we don`t have bluffs (maybe besides missed diamonds if you play them this way, which is definitely reasonable), so we just basicly hope he makes a crying call with weaker Ax
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terp
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